What Liberals Don’t Want You to Know about Their Global Warming Research

January 28th, 2015 | by Adam L
What Liberals Don’t Want You to Know about Their Global Warming Research
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If you’ve paid attention to the conversation on climate change you’ll notice liberals have changed the nomenclature about rising temperatures.

What was once called “Manmade Global Warming,” is now being called “Climate Change.”

And climate change of course refers to the natural warming and cooling of the planet based on the activity of the sun.

Which is why researchers are always relectuant to admit the sun’s the real reason the earth is getting warmer. Not because of excess Co2 levels.

The Daily Signal reports:

Solar radiation has been warming Siberian permafrost for the past 7,000 years, according to a new peer-reviewed study — long before human greenhouse gas emissions began to build up in the atmosphere.

Researchers with Germany’s Alfred Wegener Institute looked at ice wedges found under the Siberian tundra to examine what the winter climate has been like in the region for thousands of years. What they found was that Siberian winters have been gradually warming during that time. Not only did they find a warming trend, but they found that increased intensity and duration of solar activity in the last 7,000 years has been causing winter temperatures in the region to rise.

“We have now succeeded for the first time in using oxygen isotope analysis to access the temperature information stored in the ice and compile it into a climate curve for the past 7,000 years,” said Dr. Thomas Opel, co-author of the study recently published in the journal Nature Geoscience.

“Over the past 7,000 years, the winters in the Lena River Delta have steadily warmed – a trend we haven’t seen in almost any other Arctic climate archive,” said Dr. Hanno Meyer, the study’s lead author.

Until recently, virtually all of the data scientists had on this region came from “fossilised pollen, diatoms and tree rings.” These are great ways of examining the past, but they really only tell scientists what summer temperatures were like, because that’s when plants and trees grow. By examining ice wedges, scientists can get a better picture of what winter was like thousands of years ago.

“Most climate models indicate a long-term cooling in the summer and long-term warming in the winter for the Arctic over the past 7,000 years,” said Dr. Thomas Laepple, another study co-author. “But until now, there has been no temperature data to support the second claim, essentially because the majority of climate archives record information from the summer. Now we can finally demonstrate that ice wedges contain similar winter-temperature information as predicted by climate models.”

How about that?

7,000 years ago the earth was warming.

What this reveals is the incredible push to get climate change under control is nothing more than a large Ponzi scheme designed to consolidate wealth into the hands of the rich.

Yes, we need to take better care of the earth, there’s no doubt about that. And people should be justifiably outraged when pollution is dumped into lakes and streams.

But to try and build a case to limit people’s freedoms to tame “manmade global warming.” is nothing more than a farce.

What do you think of this evidence?

Let us know in the comments below.

  • reagangs

    Let’s not forget that, according to geologist and astronomers, the Earth was a molten mass when it began forming billions of years ago. The mantle and core are still molten material. Being that the Earths crust is anywhere from zero to several hundred miles thick and consist of tectonic plates that are constantly moving in geologic time and reshaping the surface, thousands of volcanoes, geothermal zones and crust separation zones (mid Atlantic Ridge) emit massive amounts of lava, ash and hot gasses (CO, CO2, NO, NO2, Ozone, and others.

  • oldloggerak

    There,s no doubt that we humans have caused some damage to our environment but most could have been avoided had there been better emissions standard in place. When you remove any of our resources without regard to the limits or the effects of doing so then you damage our environment. Most plants and animals help to keep our environment clean and healthy. Big business has helped rape our land instead of protecting and helping to maintain a healthy environment. We would all like to have a nice car that gets great mileage and has minimal negative effect on such things as air quality. Sadly that never happened because vehicle manufactures would not create a fuel efficient environmentally safe vehicle. The same can be said for most other products that are not designed to last and that causes to high a demand on our natural resources. Our nation does have some of the most strict environmental standards but what good is that when places like China and Russia dump tons of bad chemicals each day. Although I think we could have done better I do not believe humans are responsible for 95% of global warming. How can we help to heal our planet when energy conglomerates will not come up with good safe energy because of the loss in profits.

    • ravenwings

      HUMANS can not control any form of the climate. We can only control the pollution in our immediate area. PERIOD!

      • So we didn’t deplete the ozone layer, or cause Hiroshima and Nagasaki to
        be uninhabitable for 40 years? We didn’t nuclear test on several islands that are now uninhabitable?? Agent orange didn’t destroy land and cause cancer??..We’re not the reason why whales are beaching themselves?
        Again…go google “cancer belt” and look at all the great things that are happening in that 400 mile strip of land. Wouldn’t it be great to tell your grandchildren that you weren’t one of the three monkeys?

        • PAUL JOSEPH

          Hiroshima and Nagasaki look a lot better now than Detroit, MI the liberal cesspool of Michigan

          • You’re right..All of those hundreds of thousands of people whose flesh burned them to death, or the survivors who had deformed children and grandchildren are way better off than Detroit..
            CONGRATULATIONS!!
            Dumbest comment EVER on this website..

    • John Wirts

      Check out the compressed air car and the mini car that gets over 50 miles per gallon of fuel. Neither one will be produced in the U.S. because our corrupt politicians will accept BRIBES to stop them then SOB about pollution!

      • oldloggerak

        Your right and thats the reason we will never see any real development of cleaner more environmentally safe energy. We will be forced to except higher prices for fuel to make up for less fuel being produced. The oil companies will continue to make huge profits and we will continue to use vehicles that could get much better mileage but are not programed to.

  • Ddenney1

    I must be older than most here in the late 60’s early 70’s we were head for a ice age that was going to end life on the planet BY ready for it 2000!!!!!!! The name had to change! Just like Commie became liberal which became progressive! When people catch up they CHANGE the name!!!! NOT ideology only the NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • ravenwings

      I agree…wasn’t during Carter administration we were in crisis because of global cooling? And when I was in grammar school science class I was under the understanding that CO2 is what we breathed out and what plants breathed in. Then the plants breathed out Oxygen. So I went and looked it up! My memory is accurate. Then how can CO2 be the problem? If CO2 is too high plant a tree!!

      • NEVER had this many tornadoes, tsunamis and earthquakes..EVER
        NEVER had such toxic fish and GMO plants..
        NEVER had a depleted ozone until we finally got you deniers to accept the truth.. You do acknowledge that chlorofluorocarbons were causing the ozone layer to decline and cause skin cancer to increase, don’t you??
        Do you think that record numbers of beached whales and declining elephant populations are bad things, right?
        Did you ever want to ask anyone who lives in the “Cancer belt” whether or not it was natural to have a 56 year lifespan??
        Is it just too much work, and too inconvenient to agree not to make our planet worse off when we leave it than how it was when we began??

        • ravenwings

          I absolutely do not agree with you. Everything you mention has come and gone over the years. MAN has nothing to do with the weather. The computer diagrams do not even agree. NO I do not agree with all the CRAP that is being tossed out there that is NOT true science. It is nothing but a money grab and grab for control via the elitist.

          • You still don’t believe the ozone layer crap, do you??
            Do you go in the sun without lotion for 3 hours? I BET YOU DON’T.

          • John Wirts

            I never use the stuff, that’s how I get my vitamin D!

        • richardcancemi

          You’re off on a tangent! Wake up!

          • THERE IS ONLY one TARGET. The weather….and if you can’t see how bad it is in China, then maybe climate change isn’t the biggest thing you should worry about…How arrogant to have been on the “world is flat” crowd..I’m sure you’d have been right with them…
            Ozone layer??? No, we didn’t do that, did we? god did it, right?

          • John Wirts

            The good ole U.S.A.’s EPA outlaws EVERYTHING as harmful, polluting, or hazardous to our health! This requires the closure of American mines, plants, and factories. These operations are then moved to China with NO EPA or POLLUTION LAWS. In many cities in China citizens have to wear an oxygen mask to go outside. ARE YOU SO DUMB THAT YOU THINK CHINA HAS A DIFFERENT ATMOSPHERE THAN THE U.S.?

          • Exactly…China’s atmosphere is so bad,you need masks. Is that what you think should be ok here??
            By the way…If we don’t use coal HERE, anymore, for obvious reasons, then what is your point?
            They don’t outlaw EVERYTHING harmful, or cigarettes, paper mills, and plastic company pollution would be eradicated..Do you really believe that we are a pollution free country???
            Don’t you understand that as long as your rich friends can afford expensive attorneys, and lobbyists, that we are only operating under the illusion of governmental oversight??

          • PAUL JOSEPH

            Why did you leftists leagalize pot in several states?

          • Freedom fighter

            we cleaned that crap up here in the 70’s. look at L.A. today compared to the 60’s. we can’t clean up China. When enough of them die, they will see the light and fix their own mess.

          • Beeker D.

            Go to China and Tell Them, BoBo!

          • James Moe Morency

            You cannot even differentiate weather, climate and smog! China isn’t having ” bad weather” they are poisoning themselves with smog from factories from growing to quickly. How the hell is taxing carbon in America going to fix that? You have been scammed, but what is worse, you share and spread the liberal lie. Climate change is created mosfly by the sun, it goes up and it goes down, has for millions of years and it has always auto-corrected without man’s help.

          • So the sun is the same, with or without an ozone layer?? So, the ocean is the same with or without mercury?? You see my point, but you don’t get it…
            Man can’t stop the sun from rising but he can cause damage to humanity with destructive chemicals and basic abuse of natural resources..If you don’t think that 8 billion humans are using more resources and putting more toxins back into the same sized earth than when 500 million people lived here, before chemicals and toxins, then you are just plain illogical..

          • James Moe Morency

            What caused the ice age? Humans? I don’t think so. What caused it to warm back up that ended the ice age? Humans? I think not. the sun is the only constant. Mercury in the ocean does not cause global warming, and carbon is what makes plants grow! If anything, we should increase carbon and restore rain forests. More carbon for plants, more oxygen for us. We have done a terrific job cleaning up our air in this country. Look at L.A. And New York in the seventies compared to today. We have the cleanest coal fired plants on earth, and Obama plans to close them all by the end of the year for such an infinitely small amount of gain but an outrageously massive amount of misery on the human side. Families struggling to pay their electric bills now will really feel the pinch, blackouts and brownouts will become common, businesses will relocate overseas to avoid the expense and regulation, and Obama and Gore will be richer and laughing at us all. Look at the Cloward-Piven stradegy, seriously.

        • John Wirts

          WHO signed into law in America, the right to use growth hormones in our meats and plants. Who authorized Genetically Modified seeds and plants. Who allows women to take birth Control hormones and release them into our water supplies where even the best filtration cannot remove them? Causing overdose of female hormones into the water supplies and causing loss of testosterone in males. Soon only men from mountain societies will capable of fathering children. If we go back to the horse and buggy as the greenies want, we will have a horse shit pollution problem, water supplies will become contaminated, we will see the return of cholera, dysentery, TB, and other diseases. Because the greenies are also against vaccinations. Without gasoline, oil , coal, or natural gas. Solar and wind power will not be able to meet the demand, so wool, and cow chips will return as fuel.

        • PAUL JOSEPH

          you have been listning to Al Gore’s lies. He is a rat-bastard with horse manure for brains

          • If you don’t understand him, don’t fear or hate him..He cares about pollution and the declining middle class..Do you?

          • Freedom fighter

            he cares about how much of those carbon taxes go into his bank account.Period

          • Where are you creating these nit wit accusations?
            How do you know how much money Al Gore has in his bank account?? Please PROVE that he benefits from ANY green technology,,,We’re waiting!!

          • James Moe Morency

            When Al Gore ran for president, he disclosed his net worth at between 900 thousand and 1.3 million. He is now worth over 200 million. That ain’t all speeches, my friend.

          • So you blindly follow all of the oil and billionaires and don’t care how they got their money, but Al Gore making good investments and/or being paid to be on boards is a scandal?? Doesn’t make sense to single him out, does it?

          • James Moe Morency

            Again, you villanize others and totally disregard the question at hand. We are not talking about oil men, we are talking about Gore. Typical liberal ploy, when you can’t defend your stance, villanize someone else or change subject. Focus. Reply on Gore and I might believe you are sincere in having a meaningful discussion.,it is so much more than being paid to be on boards. He has been throwing a lot of political weight to get these deals done, and he doesn’t care how many Americans he hurts in the process.

          • bob

            Of course I defend him, and anyone else who wants to take us out of the stone ages. Oil and coal are filthy. There is also no crime in investing in cleaner energy. There is a moral crime in forcing us to use toxic and cancerous energy sources for profit, while using the billions that you made on that filthy oil to create propaganda in favor of it, or are tobacco executives your heroes also?

          • bob

            Why do you oppose progress, and defend those who profit from
            unhealthy and cancerous practices, like tobacco and oil and coal.
            Are you really against constructive, logical advances and really buy into the use of their dirty money to slow progress? That’s how you seem to express yourself.
            Heaven forbid we evolve..That’s it!!! You and Fox are against evolution.

          • James Moe Morency

            Ok, goodbye. You refuse to discuss one thing at a time, you will not focus, you just change the subject. Typical liberal diversion. I really thought you wanted a real honest debate, but you cannot debate something if you keep changing the something. Have a good life, don’t let the government bite you in the ass, but it will, because you trust it.

          • bob

            I never change the subject. What you don’t seem to see is my refusal to
            answer cornering, or distractiing, prosecutorial questions, like “when
            did you stop beating your wife’ and I insist on answering and addressing
            the BIG picture..I wish you could see that. I wish they could do that
            in Congress instead of being sidetracked by grandstanding and pettiness.
            I
            love my country, as I’m sure you do too, but I refuse to ignore its
            imperfections, because even as a decent parent they call that enabling.

          • James Moe Morency

            I see your refusal to answer any question I ask and deflect. Liberal playbook 101.

          • LastGasp

            Still no answer, no proof, just bullshit.

          • Beeker D.

            Now your statements are just plain LIES. Worthless Lies!

          • LastGasp

            So, stupid jr. speaks up. Gore’s family made their money in tobacco, idiot.
            Who wants to catch up to Europe? Their Socialist Economics is bankrupting the whole continent.

          • Beeker D.

            More BS and Blah, Blah, cover-up and excuse and distort!

          • James Moe Morency

            Al Gore: Al Gore could become world’s first carbon billionaire
            Al Gore: Al Gore could become world’s first carbon billionaire Photo: AP
            7:00AM GMT 03 Nov 2009Comments43 Comments
            Last year Mr Gore’s venture capital firm loaned a small California firm $75m to develop energy-saving technology.
            The company, Silver Spring Networks, produces hardware and software to make the electricity grid more efficient.
            The deal appeared to pay off in a big way last week, when the Energy Department announced $3.4 billion in smart grid grants, the New York Times reports. Of the total, more than $560 million went to utilities with which Silver Spring has contracts.
            The move means that venture capital company Kleiner Perkins and its partners, including Mr Gore, could recoup their investment many times over in coming years.
            Few people have been as vocal about the urgency of global warming and the need to reinvent the way the world produces and consumes energy as Mr Gore. And few have put as much money behind their advocacy and are as well positioned to profit from this green transformation, if and when it comes.
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            Critics, mostly on the political right and among global warming sceptics, say Mr. Gore is poised to become the world’s first “carbon billionaire,” profiteering from government policies he supports that would direct billions of dollars to the business ventures he has invested in.
            Representative Marsha Blackburn, Republican of Tennessee, has claimed that Mr Gore stood to benefit personally from the energy and climate policies he was urging Congress to adopt.

          • So, investing in the Carlyle Group and Halliburton are ok, because they only make money when we go to war and oil shortages occur., Those investors are selfish and evil..Investing in future clean energy deserves merit, not scorn,Your grandchildren will remind you in the years to come how shortsighted, and wrong, you anti-progress people were.

          • James Moe Morency

            We do agree on some things,I reallY did dislike Bush, but I loathe Obama. What infuriates me about you is you never respond to what I post, you go off blaming Bush. I want to know your opinion on Gore. Did you ever look at the Cloward-Piven stradegy? That is where Obama is leading us. And, sorry, we disagree heartily on this, global warming is a hoax. They refuse to debate it. Why would you refuse to debate anything if you truly believe there is so much overwhelming evidence? It is because they know it is a scam. Look at all the nations that have dropped out of the Kyoto Agreement. To just say the science is settled is pure B.S. Science is constantly finding evidence of past mistakes and updating data. I am old enough to remember the first earth day and I have seen all the various ways they have spun that, all the way from Global cooling to global warming to climate change to polar vortex, etc. they can’t even settle on a name, because they know damn right well the science isn’t settled.

          • Beeker D.

            Don’t ‘Diverge’ again. Why don’t you answer the questions that were first asked of you?

          • LastGasp

            What’s this “we” stuff? If you haven’t noticed, no one on this site agrees with anything you lie about. We are waiting for you to prove one lie you have stated.
            You are obviously a brand new recruit to the shill club. You will never make a living at it as you are too stupid and uninformed.
            The only upvotes you’ll ever get are your own.

          • LastGasp

            That’s why he goes everywhere in a jet or a limousine in a motorcade, to save the environment. You are delusional.

          • Beeker D.

            He’s helping all he can to cause the DECLINE of the middle class!
            When is AlGore going to work to get the $529M Plus $43M he got from the taxpayers for ‘HIS’ Fisker disaster?

        • Freedom fighter

          so global warming causes GMO’s too?! wow, you must really be a rocket surgeon! Go back to watching MSKGB, intelligent adults are trying to have a conversation here. And by your logic, if the deniers will once again deny global warming, the hole in the ozone will heal itself! read what YOU wrote, you said we didn’t have a depleted ozone till deniers admitted it was real. smh. Just another toll babbling libtard talking points, and not even getting them right.

          • Something has prevented you from putting an intelligible sentence together,,GMO’s are made by corporations..Who is even discussing them?? “I never said anything about the ozone layer, other than it was man made..Who are you talking to???

          • Freedom fighter

            you obviously don’t even read what YOU write, i just said that to mock what YOU wrote, i know full well what GMO’s are and where they come from and the harm they do.

          • So we agree on some things,,I bet you agree with me on the death penalty too..How about skewing towards a balanced budget (it’s too big to literally balance it anymore, but we can pare it down) and then letting the benefits of a war free economy to rebuild our infrastructure?…

          • Beeker D.

            The Ozone Layer was Man Made? The Hole in Ozone Layer has expanded and contracted many times over the ages, BoBo!

        • LastGasp

          You have yet to prove ONE THING. Go lay by your dish.

      • richardcancemi

        The Democrats are all Leftists and they exist by lies and all sorts of deceit. They rely on Fools to succeed.

      • John Wirts

        Liberals aren’t trying to control climate, they are trying to control us by any means possible check out

        THE 12D’s Of PROGRESSIVISM!

        In 1832 Noah Webster stated “[I]f the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted”.

        The Democratic Party—the so-called progressive party—is not only corrupt but is wedded to what I call
        The 12 D’s of progressivism:
        Deny, Defy, Distort, Deceive, Discredit, Demonize, Distract, Discourage, Destroy, Do, Disagree, Disclose.

        In this day and age, as politics becomes more and more corrupt, the political tactics recommended by Saul Alinsky have been perfected by today’s progressive democrats. Not only that, they are now widely used by our liberals throughout our celebrity society.

        We have gone from civil discourse, to uncivil, to corrupt in just three administrations. One can pinpoint when the new tactics started: in the early 90’s during the Clinton’s first presidential campaign as they established a “bimbo eruptions team”. Hillary Clinton,
        who was the brains of the outfit, used her expertise gained from Saul Alinski’s book “Rules for Radicals” to usher in a whole new strategy on how to deal with opposing individuals and ideas. No doubt her expertise revealed in her college thesis was put to good use as
        she rewrote the rule book for the Clinton camp.

        Take
        any politician today, especially a democrat, who gets in trouble and see how many of the 12 D’s they employ. To enable the strategy you need to have a news media that is no longer objective, and panders to
        those in power, while pushing their own agenda in concert with the politicians. No doubt the mainstream media has sold its soul to the DNC. The media has become the de facto Public Relations arm of the
        Democrat Party, Obama White House, and liberals in general. Pravda would be proud.

        With the media’s assistance, anytime liberals find themselves in an embarrassing or compromising situation, they simply employ the “12Ds of progressivism”.

        1. DENY:
        Deny the facts while claiming that the issue in question has nothing to do with the evidence at hand. Common weasel wording includes such lines as: there is an “on-going investigation and I cannot comment on it”. Also deny being part of what has taken place. Bill Clinton’s famous denial ‘I did not have sex with that woman…”
        is an example of this tactic.
        Obama’s denials concerning the attack on the consulate in Benghazi, Libya is another example.

        2. DEFY:
        Display artificial indignation and claim to be a victim, even when the opposition has photos, video, recordings and witnesses proving their story to be factual. Then play the beleaguered victim while
        hurling accusations at the accusers.

        3. DISTORT:
        Cloud the facts, bend the truth, and blame everything on someone else (e.g. the previous administration). With this tactic it is important to use some facts, but not the whole truth and to bend the truth in the desired direction. Mainstream media surrogates make this easier:

        4. DECEIVE:
        When necessary, lie. Go on the attack with the most
        offensive story possible. Offer up counter accusations to throw the opposition off balance. According to Alinski, if your enemy is spending his time defending himself, he can’t pursue accusations against you.

        5. DISCREDIT:
        Create doubt about the opposition’s integrity, honor, character, proof, witnesses, video, or photos through lies, distortions, and counter-accusations—preferably aided by the mainstream media. Get the media on message with talking points and “Key phrases”.

        6. DEMONIZE.
        Accuse and label the opposition. Use the old “they
        want …” line and fill in the blank from the following menu:
        They want… to starve kids, to take medicine away from old people, pollute the water and air, live large while others starve, keep it all for themselves, let people to die while they profit, etc. Over the past four years the Obama administration has used the following terms to describe the opposition: “malicious”, “insensitive”, “evil”, “hostile”, “threatening, “the enemy”, and “flat earthers” to name just a few. Class warfare is an effective aspect of this tactic.

        7. DISTRACT:
        Create another crisis such as the fiscal cliff
        debacle, to distract people from the real story (e.g. Benghazi, etc.). Create a “war on…” women, children, the poor or blame it all on something else such as a video or anything else that will distract observers from the real issue.

        8. DISCOURAGE:
        Threaten the opposition with dire consequences. Get
        the media to join in by echoing the threat. To see firsthand this tactic in practice watch CNBC or MSNBC.

        9. DESTROY:
        Engage in character assassination. Go after any aspect of their life that might be vulnerable—nothing is off limits—and use maximum intimidation while claiming the opposition is “mean spirited” and engages in the “politics of personal destruction.” Divide and conquer the opposition by pitting them against each other.

        10. DO:
        Press you agenda while the opposition is distracted by
        your tactics. As the media adds to the distraction by covering your distortions and misdirection, make as much progress advancing your agenda as possible.

        11. DISAGREE:
        Continue to disagree about the facts no matter what
        happens. Disagree vehemently and loudly with anyone in the opposition no matter how obvious the validity of their claims may be. Follow Hillary Clinton lead in giving testimony on the Benghazi debacle: pound the table in indignation. Look directly at the camera and with all of the artificial sincerity you can muster, claim your innocence.

        12. Disclose:
        Acknowledge the facts of the case but only when the
        trial is over, the election is won, statute of limitations has passed, you don’t think it will matter anymore, or the book deal payoff is big enough. Finally, admit the truth but make light of it as if the matter is of little importance—after all it happened so long ago. Do not admit to any responsibility, and show no remorse.

        These are the tactics that make up the grand strategy of today’s so-called progressive democrats. Observe liberal democrats during Obama’s second term and I believe you will find that Noah Webster was right!

        • Better than the 8 “F’s” of the Republicans
          Falsify: Iran Contra and support of the Taliban AND put Saddam Hussein in power..Invent weapons of mass destruction
          Fumble: Render the greatest nation in the world unable to drop bottled water over New Orleans for 6 days, when we can do it for Haiti, Sudan and other vicims of esarhtquakes in 72 hours
          Fake: Constantly vote anti-gay rights while covertly living in the closet until outed
          Flush: The LARGEST surplus in US history and flush it down the toilet and turn it into the LARGEST DEFICIT in US history
          Freeze: Vote against sensible veteran benefits and homeland security in a stubborn fruitless effort to defeat already passed healthcare legislation
          Fillibuster: They taught the Democrats well..Now they’re getting a dose of their own medicine..

          Fix: Continue making a claim that you want to protect the border and vote against every bill that the President supports to build a fence and use troops to do so
          Fear: make Americans so afraid of their own government, that they prostitute the 2nd Amendment, passed to protect us from the British. So fearful that they must have assault weapons.
          So fearful that they permit schoolchildren to be massacred and continue oppose ALL legislation
          to take access to guns away from the mentally ill, because of their FEAR that the NRA will give them a bad rating.
          Fight: Wage wars, permanently destroying young minds, and fail to provide the troops with proper weaponry, or decent hospitals and jobs to return home to….

          I’d rather support a party with a heart, and no brains or courage, than a party with NO HEART and such devious brilliance that the middle class, and unions keeps getting screwed..

          • doormouse

            Yeah but do they “smoke” cigars in the oval office?

          • PAUL JOSEPH

            New Orleans main problem was ray the nazi nagin; rat-bastard mayor

          • Do the incredibly uncaring, un-educated really still believe that the Mayor of a city is more powerful than the US government?

            Ask George Wallace about that, and he was a GOVERNOR..
            Your comment is stupid. That’s what the national Guard is for.
            Protecting our border, instead of Iraq’s wouldn’t have hurt either.

          • Gmansaid

            “…they permit schoolchildren to be massacred and continue to oppose ALL legislation.”

            SANDY HOOK HOAX
            http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/03/08/sandy-hook-update-wolfgang-halbig-files-lawsuit/

            Things are seldom as they seem my friend. I see that you are awake (awesome) but party politics serve only to divide and conquer those that are fooled by the false left/right paradigm.

            If you are going to go down the rabbit hole you need to go far enough in to come face to face with the rabbit. Translation: Don’t bring that half baked bullshit that you parrot from the media and are clueless about in here like you know what the hell you are saying. Turn OFF the GODDAMNED T.V. and read something factual lest you appear to be as inept as the little mulatto you voted in to office.

          • Using “mulatto” exposes that you have an axe to grind….Sandy Hook made up??
            Who benefits from that??
            You are in a very small, and somewhat insane minoriy..
            I know 2 people who were injured at the Marathon..Can’t you
            pick real conspiracies?? Seriously!!

          • Beeker D.

            You’re using another “D”, Fascist. ‘Fascist’, now there’s a “F” for the New Left side of bobkat aisle.

          • bob

            I majored in Political Science, but even 11 year olds know
            that fascists are extreme RIGHT wing dictators..
            Fascists and Socialists (extreme left wing) prevent the practice of religion, take land from the wealthy, take over and censor all media, burn books, take over banks, close off the borders, attack other regional nations, and usually (but not always) show control of the military by wearing highly overdecorated uniforms, like Stalin, Hitler, Idi Amin, Somoza, Pinochet, the Shah, Francisco Franco, Mussolini,Hussein, Ghadaffy, and dozens of others…They make passionate, over the top passionate speeches in front of the masses and stage military-might parades for all to see their power. Are you worried about what Obama is wearing??Do you really want to be remembered as someone who used all of your education during your life to end up making
            such foolish claims?
            Aren’t there more important things to talk about?

          • John Wirts

            Socialism and all belonging to the state even reproductive choices, and children belong to the state. These are “Progressive” ie left wing ideals. Capitalism, freedom of all religions, freedom of speech, the right to keep and bear arms. These are Right Wing ideals. If I can’t carry a bible or wear a cross in public I am offended by the tyrannical illogical government which will declare separation of church and state based on a private letter from Thomas Jefferson, deny jewish and christians the right to assemble in bible clubs, or jewish clubs, or carry the Torah or the Bible wear Crosses or the Star of David. Or even pray in the cafeteria! BUT THE SCHOOLS WILL BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO SUPPLY FOOT BATHS< PRAYER RUGS KORANS AND PRAYER TIME 5 TIMES A DAY! That is religious discrimination!

          • bob

            The Socialist WORKERS Party started over seas before we got unions here instead. It was founded for worker’s rights, anti-sweatshop and child labor.. Imperialists and billionaires have always feared them and have made calculated decisions to support fascist dictators in their place to prevent a country that has worker’s rights and a middle class..Our support of people like the Shah, Somoza, Peron, Pinochet, Marcos, and dozens of others from Asia to central and south America is why we have so many enemies now..You may not understand this, but I travel the world and I speak to a lot of people ..I have also been an elected official in 3 cities..Have you, with your vast vitriol done any of those things? If you don’t uinderstand that it is the Amwerican structure that causes/permit BOTH parties from representing interests contrary to the populace then you would either to be to stubborn, or too old to learn..
            I don’t blame the Republicans for everything. (I just don’t relate to the billionaires large corporations that they protect. You should stop blaming the Democrats for everything..
            That is just ignorant.

          • kenmarx49

            Speaking of ignorant, if you’ll do a little research, you’ll find that there are more billionaires and large corporations supporting leftist causes because that’s where they receive the most support in the form of cronyism. It really scares me that you travel the world and speak to a lot of people, or that you were elected to offices in three cities. I can’t relate to the latter. I’ve lived in only one city for 31 years. You DO get around!

          • John Wirts

            Yes it sure looks like a corrupt crony politician to me!

          • You are a fool..I am respected throughout the country and receive many civic awards, but I must have an agenda because you say so.
            I am in favor of the death penalty and against affirmative action, but I must a liberal because I dot agree with EVDERYTHIING the ALMIGHTY John Wirts says…You know what John, YOU are part of what’s wrong with our Senate and House..Too many angry old men, name=calling and throwing out stupid accusations…The nation would be far better off if you’d go back and live with the dinosaurs..
            I will keep going.. I’m just hitting my prime, and when I run into the thankfully few, people like you I laugh and wish them well.. Corrupt??? Coming from you, it means absolutely nothing!! Just beca use I make millions, I thought that you want us people to pay less taxes.. You, and your words are certifiable.

          • John Wirts

            People don’t have to agree with me, but they must recognize suicide and poisoned Koolaid when they see it!

          • LastGasp

            You make millions? You make me laugh, that’s all. If you’re so well to do why are you espousing Socialism? Which country are you respected throughout? I’m old to enough to know that those who boast of their greatness won’t be able to prove it. Wish on.

          • Leftist causes are well intended.. Hollywood celebrities who want to give back, and well educated wealthy people don’t have a “personal agenda” like the Koch Brothers, who want laws passed to make more money. . Please tell me TWO billionaires whose altruism and support of liberal candidates are benefitting financially from that relationship.. Tell me TWO, because I can give you a long list of ultra-conservative billionaires who supported very bad for America policies and whose lobbyists used those politicians against what is best for America…Those are your heroes??? Really?? How is Soros benefitting financially from liberal policies?? Does he own abortion clinics??.Does he sell windmills?? What other POSSIBLE gain is he seeking?

          • John Wirts

            Given the ABSOLUTE CORRUPTION OF AMERICAN POLITICIANS YOU ARE STUPID, there is no hope or cure for stupid, education can cure ignorance!

          • There is no cure for pre- Alzheimer’s anger either, and you are too old and nasty to have the energy to help our nation rebuild a future.. Change is an enemy to the elderly, and those who think like them…I wish you well.. Enjoy your latter years, and try being nice, instead of intolerant and nasty.. People with those attitudes are who got us in this mess in the first place..

          • John Wirts

            LOOK WHO”S TALKING!!! BLACK LIVES MATTER if shot by a police officer, but if its black shooting black that’s okay! If it’s a black pregnant girl it’a okay to abort the baby(BLACK LIVES DON”T MATTER) OH don’t forget if a black kills a white, or gets their jollies playing the knockout game THAT”S OKAY, bvut don’t let a cop or white person do that to a black! BIGOT!!!

          • LastGasp

            There is a cure for Alzheimer’s. Why lie?

          • bob

            You have a conspiracy theory on an Alzheimer’s cure too?
            If there is a cure, then why are so many suffering from it? Is it the pharmaceutical companies holding back for more profits? Or, do you blame Obama for that too?

          • LastGasp

            There are cures for all of the major man made diseases. There gave been since the early 1900s. Take your knee jerk conspiracy theory crap and shove it. Oh, you’re so smart. You think you know everything, but you lead your miserable mediocre life waiting for disease to take you and your loved ones. You’re so smart you wouldn’t want the cure anyway, would you? People like you make me never want to help anyone again. I was giving you a chance to show a little humanity, maybe even interest, but you opted for insults and derision.
            Just think, by being an asshole you just trimmed 20 years off your life.

          • LastGasp
          • bob

            I majored in political science, and have seen that charge for over 35 years.
            It leaves off the extreme right of fascism. It is completely accurate from moderate on to the extreme left. It brings back memories. Unfortunately, I don’t know why the right side has been changed? Obviously it was altered to put fascism into the left column, when Hitler, Mussolini, and Fernando Franco were right wing fascists.

          • John Wirts

            OH using a correct term means I have an axe to grind. All the PC BS only serves to entrench racism by the only racists left, who by law can’t be called racist. Dr Martin Luther King would be appalled and offended at the direction the civil rights movement has taken. His only desire was that people be judged by their character, not the color of their skin. Now the “law’ looks at the color of the skin to determine innocence or guilt. Driven by the Race Baiters, and the welfare system to keep blacks on the welfare plantation, and parroting “black lives matter” while committing self genocide at conveniently placed “Planned Parenthood Clinics”(ABORTION MILLS). Check Margret Sanger’s views of why abortion clinics should be where they are.

          • bob

            I pity your inability to find the confederate flag, the swastika and terms like “mulatto” as offensive..I hope that you may some day feel some compassion for victims of bullying…You have a long way to go to show compassion for, or state your disapproval of racism. Now you’re claiming that the majority of aborted children are black?

          • savetheusa2

            The majority of aborted children ARE BLACK! Do a little research on Margaret Sanger.

          • bob

            You are quoting one of the biggest bigots in American history,
            who called blacks a “growing weed that need to be exterminated before they grow”…you really associate with HER?
            She spoke before KKK groups to encourage them.
            Fact is a higher % of of the African American population have abortions, but not a higher number..So, if 300 Eskimos live in America and 100 have abortions does that mean that more Eskimos are aborted than any other race? More stupid, racist, “claims of superiority”.
            There are over 3 legal million abortions in the US and 1.45 million are white, 1 million are black and 700,00 are Hispanic…So, one million out of 3.4million births is high in percentage, but not more in number…
            Whites have 1.45 million abortions, out of 5 million births.
            (lower %, higher number)

          • Edward Canady

            How about Obama, Jesse, Al and the multitude of ” community organizers”…or the “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” fools or the “Black Lives Count” Loons??

            Percentage vs Actual number….you understood what she meant…who really cares?? You…form over function ?

            Molon Labe

          • Al Sharpton is an idiot…Jesse was a decent follower of MLK and afterwards was useless…So what?..Is English your second language, because I have no idea what you are talking about regarding form and function..All I know is that gas prices are down, my guy got elected, I am supporting numerous charities, employing many who support their families, and I have my physical and mental health..That makes me one of the least bitter posters here….I listened to 8 years of “the sky is falling” under Clinton,, and now 7 more years under Obama..I expect nothing less from the same fools who put Bush into office..(These fiscally responsible taxpayers must have been in a coma for 8 years) The rest is entertainment..Especially Donald Trump

          • Edward Canady

            Bobcrap/ Bob…
            If you do not understand the concept of form/function….then I have no reason to believe that you are now nor have you ever been a CEO of anything that your momma did not run.

            That being the case, I discount everything you post…I believe you are a Fraud.
            .
            When you call folks “fools” first look in the mirror….you and your ilk are the ” fools” that put the Disaster in the WH.

            Molon Labe

          • LastGasp

            While whites are 75% of the population and blacks are only 14% of the population? You do the math, Einstein. Blacks have more abortions than whites. That’s what the numbers mean.

          • bob

            So, who’s arguing with your statistics?
            Do you want to prevent blacks from having abortions? People like you probably believe that those blacks are actually born they will only be criminals, & I better off aborted. Make up your mind, you can’t have it both ways.

          • LastGasp

            Your prejudice is showing, Bob. “People like me?’ You don’t know me, Bob, but you are judging me? You make up your mind, Bob. Don’t try pulling that sophomoric Alinsky doublespeak on me, Bob. You’re not good enough at it.

          • bob

            So, once again I ask you what your conclusion is based on the fact that more abortions are from Afro Americans and 14% of the population than 75% (who are Caucasian)….What is your point in giving us those statistics?

          • LastGasp

            Margaret Sanger started Planned Parenthood https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/53e499961786a6599851e76bdd04c459cbaef2d5aa1e1b7d3f14406118dc0633.jpg , Bob. She also consulted and advised Adolf Hitler.

          • bob

            Right, and Joe McCarthy was the spokesperson and poster child of the Republican Party. None of them are alive now. Times have changed, haven’t they?

          • John Wirts

            You obviously have never been bullied or discriminated against, you speak from pure stupidity. You don’t want to be confused with the facts, your “mind” is made up. If you dare look up Margret Sanger, check out her RACIST PHILOSOPHY, and the reason for building PP ABORTION MILLS IN BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS! It was to reduce “undesirable inferior races”.Welfare and atheist beliefs will keep the blacks on the welfare plantation, and their numbers down. Committing suicide through blacks killing blacks, race driven abortion, and encouraging criminal lifestyle as race baiters Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, and Al Franklin.vie for power by hiring protesters and claiming “VICTIM HOOD FOR ALL BLACKS!!

          • bob

            Margeret Sanger is a nutcake..So, who cares about
            the crazy things she says? By the way, I was one of the fastest kids
            in grade school because I learned how to
            rin away from bullies…A lot of Jewish kids were bullies
            in the 60’s and 70’s in Boston.By the way, Trump is the King of Bullies.

          • John Wirts

            Well since Planned Parenthood was founded by her based on her biased beliefs, To support them is to accept her beliefs and the reason for planned parenthood in the first place and today! So if it looks like a bigot, talks like a bigot, and thinks like a bigot, IT IS A BIGOT!!!

          • John Wirts

            SEIG HEIL NAZI BIGOT!!!

          • Still trying to communicate, but you can’t stop talking like an 80 year old.. Tough, huh?? I already told you that I think Sharpton and others are bigots, but you call me.one..I can only say one thing, for people who can’t put facts together (EARLY ONSET ALZHEIMER’S) CAN YOU READ THE PRINT GRAMPS??
            I LOVED MYT GRAMPS, BUT WHEN HE LOST IT, HE LOST IT!!!

          • John Wirts

            You are the oneweith 194 german immorality, but

          • John Wirts

            I can read your 1940’s German perverse immorality disguised as tolerance as long as everyone agrees with your perversions! Your idols Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao Se Tun, Khrushchev, and Fidel Castro. Must be hard to make up your mind with these choices!

          • bob

            You got me grampsII. You believe I love old dead people.You forgot to
            call me an anti-Semite too..
            Senility can do that to you…I prefer younger, more “creative”
            people….I will be here for the next 7 Presidents. Thankfully,
            angry and hateful dinosaurs like you, won’t be.
            My circle makes thing happen, and keeps making
            tons of money, not lives in the past. I thought you’re trying
            to keep my taxes lower than the working stiffs. Thanks for that!
            Bye!

          • John Wirts

            If the current one and the possible next one don’t destroy the country first. two good things about being old I still have survival skills when the EMP destroys your precious technologies. and the infrastructure shuts down, Have fun with no cell phones, Facebook , or internet Wah! Wah! Wah!

          • Many before you have predicted the end of America. I ]am not worried, and I’m loving every minute of this ride to success..
            I love helping charities and I love helping plan the future..These conspiracy theories are for the miserable.

          • John Wirts

            A fool does not know history, therefore must repeat it to learn the lesson readily available, if you connect the dots of history. So go ahead and learn from the school for dummies, the school of hard knocks!

          • John Wirts

            Can you read the upcoming crisis it is all mapped out in history! Very plane to see, but the ultimate insanity is doing the same thing over, and over, and over again, and expecting to get a different result!There is no cure for STUPID!!!

          • bob

            Since the Civil War we have been repeating,
            and repeating, and repeating.. Since then we dug a big
            hole, and we keep digging and digging deeper.
            I agree. First war profiteers “carpetbaggers” and overseas bankers began ruining America, then we spent billions rebuilding defeated
            nations in Europe….Then we became the world’s
            police….All as we ignored our own needs, except for Eisenhower,
            who built our interstate system, at taxpayer expense, and the greed instead
            of Capitalists are able to buy their freedom from regualtion….
            This repetition must stop.. We are sinking….,
            Schools and bridges are decaying.
            Our education is underfunded, and falling behind.
            So, I agree completely with you….We must stop
            repeating the same 150 year cycle.
            There are only 2 candidates that can assure us that
            they see this clearly, and are committed to saving our democracy
            and ending this hopeless sporal downward.
            Trump and Sanders..,

          • John Wirts

            I agree with TRUMP. He is not a dues paying member of the good old boys club of either party! I have seen the Deamoncrats, and RINO’s promise the moon, but fail to drain the swamp. Show me a politician who will make and keep one promise and I will show you my choice for any elected office. “Do you promise to repeal any and all unfunded, and unenforced laws. This alone could reduce ou debt and restore respect to America.

          • bob

            I agree to fight any form of gun confiscation from law abiding citizens. I also agree with you on passing enforceable laws only. When I was 21, and elected to town council, I refused to support any unenforceable laws. I made that my major contingency for support of any legislation. I also believe in the death penalty, and that any woman who has two aborons should be sterilized. Unfortunately, as long as we prohibit parents from properly disciplining their children, we are a nation without laws for our children. This is when kids started bringing guns to school, and avoiding responsibility by burying themselves in violent video games. So, it is time to restore respect, responsibility, and the fight for a decent democracy, not one that can be bought and paid for.

          • LastGasp

            We don’t live in a Democracy, Bob. Socialism is a failed economic and social model. It never works.. Don’t point out Europe because they are all going to a free market economy of various designs. Sanders is a nut job. He thinks old world Socialism will save our country America is the land of the free, Bob. With Socialism there is no freedom, no individuality. No guaranteed rights. Is that what you want, Bob? Long lines for poor services? No choice of food, medical, or education? 90% taxes? Total wage stagnation? No entrepreneurship, invention, innovation?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a248c6d950ec59a3c3e90e88c44d0b02a1ae962135548448846321996a34665d.jpg

          • bob

            You mean the same high taxes that Reagan had? Sanders has a long and proud track record of voting for the American public in the Senate, and as a mayor. If you don’t understand what he is saying, and wish to accuse him of being an Old World Socialist, don’t worry old world socialism died in 1986.

          • LastGasp

            Run away little boy, run away!

          • bob

            Run away? Not exactly….
            4am-6am is when most normal people are sleeping.
            Did you think you were making a valid point?

          • LastGasp

            Comprehension problem? Or just so caught up inside of your little meaningless world you don’t listen? Oh Woe! Another victim!
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6120bd7407631c8c63111edcb441881b23c6c9fe7e03419b6e099c9b9aa794fd.jpg

          • bob

            Your post makes it perfectly clear you believe that the law should protect light bulbs from having their guns taken away, so that they can keep them to protect themselves from black folks. I happen to believe that all races are entitled to guns, as long as they are law-abiding citizens.

          • LastGasp

            I agree.

          • Bev Sansum

            Sandy Hook ( and other similar atrocities) benefits those who want to disarm the people.

          • bob

            No Bev, Sandy Hook cries out the need to find mentally ill people who have guns and get them out of their hands. Please stop creating a fear that someone is trying to take guns away from the other lawful 40 million gun owners. Don’t you think it makes sense to find people like Lanza who have guns and make them prove they deserve them? Doing nothing is arrogant and only sets us up for more of the same. Is that what you really support? More of the same?

          • Buck

            You constantly spout bs bob after reading all the stuff you are writing maby some one should send you for the mental test

          • bob

            maybe they should send me a mental test , & I would pass it. I am NOT a psychotic, but I’m also not crazy enough to want to have guns in my house. I say crazy, meaning gun crazy, not meaning insane crazy. There you go again wanting to pick a fight. sorry about you have no taker here.

          • LastGasp

            Why are you so afraid of guns? Do you think they are after you? Do they say things inside your head? HHmmmm?

          • bob

            What is it about the last 31 mass shootings and suicides that you don’t understand? I am Not Afraid of guns, any more than I am bombs. But I do think it is important in a growing population to make sure that people who are suicidal don’t get permits. What’s the sense of keeping a database, and criminal records, if people like you believe that criminals can go from one state to the next until they get a gun?

          • LastGasp

            Well, well, you finally said something intelligent. What is the sense, Bob, in keeping a database on registered guns if it doesn’t stop criminals from getting guns? Very good! Registration is only good for controlling LAW ABIDING citizens, not keeping guns out of criminals hands.

          • bob

            So now you believe that making it easier for people with criminal records to get guns is the right way to go? Are you saying that we should not keep records of criminals and share them with other states? I certainly hope not.

          • LastGasp

            Why do you insist on twisting my words? What did I say about criminals? Read it. Try real hard to understand the intent. I tried to be reasonable with you. End of conversation. GTH

          • bob

            If we don’t keep a database, which is what you said you don’t want us to do, then it doesn’t matter if a criminal or non criminal is applying for a gun. Without a database, both would get one. You are claiming that a database would not prevent criminals from getting guns. You are making a circular argument. You have no statement of declaration. It seems that you are against databases, which, if they are eliminated, would not be able to track a criminal trying to buy a gun the legitimate way.
            Isn’t a position in politics supposed to be understandable? What you wrote, is obviously not understandable.

          • John Wirts

            Bob pleassse remove your cranium from your rectum. Do a little research before you prove the Bible verse “it is better to keep your mouth shut and have everyone think you are a fool. then open it and remove all doubt!!! I was in Europe for 30 months Germany, Holland and France all had strict gun control and high violent crime rates. At that time Norway, Switzerland and England, had high rates of gun possession in private homes, these were for the most part military issued personal weapons violent crime was very low in these countries.England was the clincher, about twenty years ago England outlawed private gun ownership, confiscated all guns and destroyed them. Prior to that the Bobbies(English Police) carried truncheons(batons, or night Sticks to the Colonials), now they have to be armed with sub machine guns, and violent crime is up 400%. Check it out gun control is only attempt to disarm and control citizens just like NAZI Germany. Australia and Canada are having the same problem. My parting thought if you try an experiment and don’t get the results you desire, and you go back and try the same experiment over and over expecting to get a different result, you are exhibiting the classic definition of insanity!

          • John Wirts

            Don’t wast our time and tax dollars, he doesn’t have a brain, if he did he’d take it out and play with it!

          • Buck

            Kinda threw me there John. That post has been a while back.

          • John Wirts

            She’s right, the anti-gun crowd is relentless

            I say require ALL ANTI GUNNERS to surrender all their guns
            Revoke their CCW permits, and prohibit them from hiring, or being assigned armed security! This would apply to all American politicians from the president to the city councils. The Secret Service and Congressional Security Police would be disbanded, and merged into law enforcement agencies. Further anyone belonging to or supporting organizations who advocate banning, confiscating, and/or destroying private firearms, and outlawing carrying firearms. Should have their “right” to own or carry revoked,and be denied any “right” to hire or be assigned armed security! Further prohibit introducing any anti gun legislation unless and until ALL FIREARMS LAWS ARE FULLY FUNDED
            AND ENFORCED FOR EVERYONE EQUALLY, OR REPEALED!!! Let’s see if anti-gunners have the courage of their convictions then!

          • LastGasp
          • LastGasp

            Sounds just like an excuse to take away everyone’s firearms to me. There are many more than 40 million, by the way. Let’s make you prove that you should be commenting on forums. Would you like that? Then tell me how you are going to find people and make them prove they aren’t guilty of a non-law.
            You’re talking more police state mentality, authoritarianism. Is that what you want, a police state?
            More gun laws are not the answer. Tell me what gun law could stop someone from going to any gun free zone and start shooting people?
            Is that what you want, a safe place for criminals to kill helpless unprotected people? Is that what you want?
            .

          • bob

            Gun free zones is stupid. There is no movement to take any guns from law abiding citizens. The only actions are for future gun applicants. What part of that turns you into some sort of lunatic, thinking that there is a gun grab about to happen?

          • LastGasp

            Why do they want a record of your guns, Bob? When you buy a new firearm it is for all intents and purposes registered in your name with your address, social security number,,,,etc. They know where to come and find that firearm, Bob. People like you don’t realize that is not how criminals get guns, they don’t buy them. They steal them, buy them on the black market. Their firearms are not traceable, Bob. But legal citizens’ guns are.
            Do you believe everything the government tells you, Bob? If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor? Obamacare will cut your premiums by $2500. “Read my lips, No new taxes”

          • bob

            So we should just remove all speed limit signs. Good law abiding citizens will just drive at a reasonable speed. As a matter of fact, why licence people to drive? Let’s just let anyone buy a car, and start driving. Anyone who drives out of order will be a criminal. Anyone who drives slowly won’t need a license.
            Don’t you understand that as the population grows, and grows, we need to grow with it? Going backwards, and not keeping records, is ridiculous.

          • LastGasp

            Stupid liberal Alinsky doublespeak, false equivalency bull. That was it. Hope your legs grow together Bob. You bore me.

          • John Wirts

            IF THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT GOING TO ENFORCE THE LAW IT NEEDS TO BE REVOKED. All laws should be funded to enforcement level with NO EXCEPTIONS. Anyone who opposes gun ownership or Constitutional carry, should be prohibited from buying, owning, carrying any firearm,plus they should be prohibited from hiring or being assigned armed security. Disband the Secret Service, the Congressional Police, and any state police who are security for governors or state legislatures. If any organization political, fraternal, or business designates a gun free zone(Target Rich Environment),the person, committee, or body who institute said “gun free zone” will assume full responsibility for the safety of all persons in said gun free zone. They will be held criminally and civilly responsible, for any loss of property, injury, or death of anyone in the zone.That would include all politicians and jurists. I would include littering laws if there is no funding to enforce them “due to budget constraints” revoke it, If a law is passed to prohibit smoking inside the city limits, it must be funded and enforced or revoked!

          • bob

            You mean like littering, ad jay walking?>> You are a dinosaur..

          • John Wirts

            NO if you believe in unenforced or unenforceable laws, YOU HAVE THE FATAL ID TEN T VIRUS! If a law is unfunded to enforce it it needs to be automatically REVOKED! Any law not funded and enforced is ablight on our country. All “new Bills” need to be put on hold unless and until all existing laws are funded and enforced or automatically repealed.I don’t think you have the foggiest notion of what I’m saying, so go home and play with your dolls.

          • bob

            One blood c ot and you shut the whole body down..
            I’m surprised your’re still alive…You think like a real old man.

          • John Wirts

            NO BOB SANDY HOOK CRIES OUT FOR ENFORCEMENT OF EXISTING LAWS. That the shooter broke 42 laws during the trip to and the shooting at Sandy Hook shows how bad enforcement if existing laws are. How many unenforced and unenforceable laws are on the books? UNKNOWN!
            How many shootings have all these anti-gun laws stopped? NONE!
            Where is crime the highest, where the strictest gun laws exist Washington DC, San Francisco, Fresno Ca, San Diego. It works in Europe too Strictest gun control and highest violent crime Germany, Holland and England. England is very interesting. When I was stationed in Europe England had high private gun ownership and violent crime was low, A few years ago England outlawed private gun ownership, confiscated and destroyed all privately owned firearms, including some rare and historically significant weapons. Now these countries with strict gun control have high violent crime, The British Bobbies were armed with truncheons(night-sticks, or batons to the colonials. Now they have to be armed with sub machine guns as violent crime is up 400%. I visited my relatives in Norway, they have universal service, probably changed somewhat since I was there, when a person joins their military, they are issued a personal weapon suitable for their job in the military. It may be a pistol, sub machine gun, carbine, or a rifle. That weapon follows that individual through out his active service, when he separates, the weapon goes home with him. I saw and held my great uncle’s WW I rifle a my cousin’s house. The government issues ammunition, targets and range passes to keep the people proficient with their weapon, They range from auto-loading, to selective fire to fully automatic. THEIR VIOLENT CRIME RATES ARE VERY LOW. Just think one trained law abiding citizen with a gun could have stopped this tragedy, because outlawing guns only disarms law abiding citizens, outlaws being outlaws do not obey laws anyway, fool!

          • Gmansaid

            That statement exposes that you have a brain but are afraid to use it. You can ignore reality but you cannot ignore the consequences for ignoring reality. TROLL.

          • bob

            I know two people whose children were killed in Sandy Hook. Go tell them that their
            kids aren’t dead. How can you take yourself seriously? Please don’t answer, because you have already expresseen your nonsense.

          • John Wirts

            ARE YOU EVEN AWARE THAT THE SANDY HOOK SHOOTER BROKE 42 LAWS THAT DAY? Most of them before he even got to the school! 42 UNENFORCED LAWS, unfunded unenforced INEFFECTIVE ANTI-GUN LASS. I would require a couple of provisions before even considering your insane proposals! 1.) Fully fund and enforce all laws WITH NO EXCEPTIONS! THAT MEANS DIANNE FEINSTEIN, BLOOMBERG, AND OH YES OBAMA, since their position is that guns are too dangerous, they must turn in their guns, CCW permits, and the right to hire or be assigned armed security. That would require disbanding the Secret Service, ans Congressional Police force, transfer them top law enforcement. Prohibit them hiring Armed Security after all GUNS ARE DANGEROUS! Any law on the books must be funded to enforcement level, or revoked, new bills can be submitted only after all existing laws are funded and enforced, the bill must cite Constitutional authority, and funding amount and source, and agency responsible for enforcement. Further if funding is cut “Due to budget constraints” the law is revoked! OH by the way did you know there is an even more dangerous weapon killing more people then guns, should we ban these as “TOO DANGEROUS” ALSO?.When a gun is misused to injure or kill someone it is the fault of “THE BAD GUN” and the gun should be banned. Should we ban this other dangerous thing, as too dangerous? IT kills more people then guns, so it too must be too dangerous! This dangerous item is the motor vehicle,if the driver is drunk then the drunk driver is at fault, if the driver is driving too fast then the speeding driver is at fault, if the driver is tired and has n accident then driver fatigue is at fault. So f a criminal gets a gun and kills someone with it, the gunman not the gun is at fault! One law abiding citizen with a gun could have stopped the massacre at Sandy hook. The persons passing the anti-gun law are every bit as responsible for those deaths, as the shooter, they should be charged as criminal accomplishes to this crime, what is fair is fair!

          • bob

            Can you ride a gun to work? Can you carry groceries with a gun? Can you take the kids to school with a gun? A car is used 5 billion times a week, and 30 people are killed accidentally, because of it. A gun is used 5 million times a week and 30 people are killed because of it, but 29 are on purpose. One is a utensil, the other is a weapon. How many murders are committed with a car? Everyone has a car, not everyone has a gun. The two comparisons are cute, for school kids, but not in the world of reality.

          • John Wirts

            Can you defend yourself or your family with the CAR, TRUCK, VAN OR ANY MOTOR VEHICLE left in the garage when the bad guy is in your house? Why would you even say that OH I Forgot you have the ID TEN T VIRUS! SORRRRRY!

          • Gmansaid

            No you don’t….LIAR!

          • LastGasp

            Did they sue? No? Why not? What were their names? There is a list, you now. You will get caught in this lie if you follow up.

          • bob

            There is no amount of money that can replace their children. Why, did Gabby Giffords and anyone at that mall in Colorado, or Virginia Tech, or San Bernardino, or Louisiana in October, sue? Who are they going to sue, the idiots who put up the no gun zone signs? Apparently, you have quite a different version of what life, and moving on is all about.

          • LastGasp

            I find it very difficult to believe you HAVE any friends.

          • bob

            You can’t find anything.
            You have no ability to get the truth,
            when your idiocy gets in the way.

          • LastGasp

            Uncalled for and childish.

          • bob

            Sorry, that was a real stupid generalization on my part. You do know that I am getting overwhelmed with responses from people on this website, right?
            This is obviously not a group of happy people.

          • John Wirts

            The Sandy Hook shooter broke 42 laws most before he even got to the school! How can anti gun laws protect us if they are neither funded or enforced? How does the government selling guns to drug cartels then losing track of them help protect America? Anti-gun laws only disarm law abiding citizens, criminals will get guns regardless! England had low crime, their Bobbies were armed with truncheons(night sticks, or batons for the colonials). Some years back they outlawed, confiscated and destroyed all privately owned firearms. Since then violent crime has gone up 400% and the Bobbies are now armed with sub machine guns, and there is debate in parliament as to whether all knives should be required to have round ends. Some wag commented what next ban rocks?

          • LastGasp

            Well said, but ignored, I’m sure.

          • John Wirts

            I say it’s time to DEMAND that ALL ANTI GUN LAWS, be Fully funded and enforced, for everyone. The President and Congress want anti-gun laws. Disband the Secret Service, and Congressional Police, Confiscate Di Fi’s weapons and revoke her CCW permits, and do the same for all anti-gunners. Prohibit them from hiring or being assigned armed security. Any law not funded to enforcement level is automatically revoked. If It’s too expensive to fujnd and enforce, it’s too expensive to exist. Lets see if our LEADERLESS FEARS have the courage of their convictions if they are disarmed TOO!!!!!!

          • Gmansaid

            Well that sounds like fun to me. You have ignored the reality of the black market, as long as money is to be made there will be those that do it illegally, just look at the drug trade. Outlaw guns and all that will happen is a new facet of black market trading will emerge and the price for guns will skyrocket.

            “IF YOU OUTLAW GUNS, ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS.”

            …and all the world will become a gun-free zone, or will it?

          • John Wirts

            I did not say to try to control the black market, that will nwever happen no matter how many anti gun laws we pass! I said let law abiding citizens purchase and carry gus, make people banning guns responsible for the consequences of disarmin f law abiding citizens! Norway and Switzerland have universal service. When their military is discharget they thak their personal weapon home with them! This may be a relvolver, semi automatic pistol, sub machine gun(fully automatic) carbine(select fire) or rifle (select fire) select fire can be semi atomatic or fully automatic! Allowing trained military to take home their weapon they were trained on would give criminal cause to ponder before they commit a crime! No amount of UNFUNDED, UNENFORCABLE GUN LAWS will reduce crime! The Sandy Hook Shooter broke 42 unenforced gun control ;laws! The political response propose new un enforced laws! Let’s examine all laws, check to see are they funded? Are they enforced? If they are not funded or enforced either fund and enforce them, or revolk them immedately! Only after all laws are either funded and enforced should any new bills be allowed. All new bills need to cte Constitutional authority, source of and amount of funding, and agency toreceieve funding and be responsibility to enforce the law. If funding is cut as example “Due to fisical constraints” the law is immedatelt revolked!

          • Gmansaid

            I misunderstood your initial post, my bad. I agree WITH you for sure. Thank you for your courtious reply.

            FWIW, Sandy Hook was a FEMA Capstone event with hyper realistic filming and paid actors. If you will ,there is information on Veterans Today website and many videos on YouTube that will raise many doubts as to the “official version” of events. The truth is stranger than fiction at times. Have a look, let me know what you think if you don’t mind. I would enjoy listening to your opinion since I regard you as a thinking man, I can just tell. http://www.veteranstoday.com/category/false-flag-investigations/sandy-hook/
            There are a myriad of articles from a variety of sources. Interesting to the core, have a look.

            -Gman

          • Freedom fighter

            you’re still blaming Bush, aren’t you? wake up, the Democrats are the new American Communist Party.

          • Apparently you are an international negotiations expert, so I defer there..To ignore history is to repeat it, and Bush was just plain horrible..Until you can admit that he was a cocaine using dreaft dodger who put an Arabian Horse expert in charge of Fema and lied to get young Americans killed in a war that he promised would be paid for by Iraqui oil (not one penny was), then you are incapable of holding a serious conversation with anyone,..The middle east was made WORSE by our taking out Ronald Reagan’s good buddy Saddam Hussein..Until you understand that, you are internationally illiterate and blind.
            I hope that you overcome the mental illness and paranoia that is occurring during Obama’s administration, but if you haven’t noticed, the economic mess, and impending crash that Bush hid and Obama inherited, now has as many Americans than at any time in US history, more new homes are being built than in the last 10 years, the gas prices are at a 10 year low, and fewer Americans are dying overseas than during ANY year
            under Bush..>So, you want Obama to start another war., instead of providing weapons to watch Arab extremists kill other Arab extremists?? How did funding the Taliban work our for Reagan???..You keep supporting those oil rich war mongers and Halliburton..The rest of us have had enough!
            They are war profiteers and traitors that send our youth off to war while closing VA Hospitals..Those are your people??
            True Patriots pay their taxes and don’t support corporations who evade them….I won;t even discuss your “Communist Party” comment..It was a great laugh!….look up the definition in the dictionary….Land grabs, taking over, and silencing the media, controlling transportation and preventing international travel, suppressing religion and religious freedom..ALL COMMUNIST action….Do you really see that here?? Really?
            QUICK CHECK!! Maybe there’s a Commie hiding under your bed..You can keep your Joe McCarthy embarrassment.

            Respond if you can find a helper to offer you useful information…

          • James Moe Morency

            Enough about Bush! Truth be told, he was a disaster, but I need to worry about the communist killing the American way of life that is in there now! I hated the wars, the patriot act, the NSAIDS, thought they where turning us into a police state. Along comes Obama, blasts Bush for those policies, swears he will repeal them, gets elected and goes into hyperdrive not only NOT repealing bad policy but beefing it UP, WAY UP! I’m still pissed, madder than ever, but you idiots hated it under bush, but now all of a sudden it’s all rainbows and butterflies and no one is spying on anyone and we care about national security but we won’t close the border and passing laws on his own and you name it. I voted for this piece of crap the first time, but I PAID ATTENTIONS TO WHAT HE DOES, NOT WHAT HE SAYS. Every word out of his mouth has been a lie. I just want my damn country back. I will call a piece of shit out no matter what his party, but library’s like you don’t give a crap as long as there is a damn “D” next to his name. For once, call this piece of crap out for something, anything, and then, maybe, I will see you are honestly concerned about your country and not just a libtard koolaid drinker.

          • I am registered as a Dreamocrat..Not Democrat..
            and I am not a library, or a liberal, or an encyclopedia, I am just an American who wants to see opportunity for all and call on wealthy people (such as myself, and the millions way wealthier than I) to take the most patriotic act they can do..pay taxes and support our military and roads being built, and helping our seniors and disabled and be the great country that we tell everyone else that we are….and stop complaining about paying taxes.. I liked the way Bush waited to go into Afghanistan..I trusted him, and then he blew it with Iraq,
            I am a former Republican who is fiscally conservative and he played with our treasury like it was a board game…It was Cheney, Pearl, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld that chased away all that could have been good about those 8 years with Colin Powell and even Condy Rice..and whether you want to understand it or not…It takes time to turn a battleship around in a pond,,We are in a much better position on all counts than we were in 2007, and under Obama we did something that Bush could never do..WE GOT BIN LADEN..
            Let Obama;s time pass, and hope that the next President can get Congress to actually talk to eachother or we’ll turn for the worse,,Don’t have a stroke over it,,,You can’t do anything about it..

          • James Moe Morency

            We are so much worse off now. We have slid to 34th in the world for free speech, Obama has arrested more reporters than all other presidents combined. Everything, and I mean everything under this clown is a national secret, while he says he is the most transparent. They are taking over the Internet to censor it, they have the IRS punish their enemies, they are taking land from citizens under extremely dubious pretense, and they have set race relations in this country back 50 years. We are being invaded at our southern border and he is laughing about it. Check the labor participation rate, there are more people out of work now than in 2007, and more people are living below the poverty line. If that is your idea of progress, you are not a dreamocrat, you are a dumbascrap. Stop listening and pay attention. He vowed to uphold the constitution, I do not even believe he has read it, except to look for loopholes.

          • I pity your self created frustration…I am surrounded by more successful folks now than in 2008..he is doing no less to protect the Mexican border than Bush did, and that’s the only true point you’ve made..>Reporters arrested, and making him responsible; for Tayvon martin, Ferguson and any other police/community incident???Come on, why not blame him for your cavities?

          • ronpaynter

            Reading your foolish rants only prove the old adage that is extremely applicable to you ….”You must be twins,it’s impossible for one person to be so dumb”.

          • bob

            They are only rants to those who don”t understand them, and
            can’t raise any argument against them…Which does prove the adage
            that you can’t teach an old dog a new trick..Sorry for trying to
            teach you that the real news doesn’t come from Rush Limaugh..
            Someone has to pay for his drug problem.

          • bob

            That’s not an adage….but nice try.

          • LastGasp

            Yawn,,,,,

          • Edward Canady

            Now that you mention it… I did read a report that…….

          • bob

            So you don’t want those who threaten terror arrested?
            You want him to protect us without arresting anyone? Are you kidding me?

          • James Moe Morency

            I do want those who threaten terror arrested. Where are you getting your nonsense? Think of this surveillance as information coming through a straw. If you have information coming through a straw, you can watch it as it passes an if something looks funny you can stop the flow and dig out the funny part. By trying to surveill everyone, you have information coming through in a waterfall. You can’t see anything, the flow is too great .

          • bob

            So you are a surveillance expert who
            has studied and proven exactly how wide,
            or how narrow, the ability to prevent terrorist acts is?
            You are really so well educated on methods and techniques
            that the government should be consulting
            with you as to how to do a perfect job?
            I prefer to judge them by whether or not we are
            blown up in public places…I say “so far, so good”..

          • James Moe Morency

            As a matter of fact, I am.

          • bob

            Well, then I defer to your expertise, and believe that
            it is being done in-efficiently. I hope they can improve,
            but I’m glad that they have kept us safe thusfar.
            All it takes is 7 or 8 jackasses at self serve gas stations
            lighting themselves up in NY, Chi and LA.

          • James Moe Morency

            Exactly right, that is why all this over servailance won’t work.you will never stop all attacks. Think of it this way. There were 1.5 million accidents caused by deer crossing the highway in 2014 yet we aren’t spending 100 billion dollars on deer security. There will always be risks. We have spent tens of billions of dollars on airport security and by their records we have not stopped one attack. Not one. The few that were stopped in the air were pure dumb luck, not TSA. We are spending ourselves into bankruptcy trying for the impossible. There will always be risks. Just live your life, hope for the best, and stop expecting the government to save you. Less is more. Concentrate on the threats, not on groping grandma in the airport. Forget political correctness. If they look like a Muslim, maybe give them the hairy eyeball. Everyone will be safer. This is not about security with the government, it is about control. Both parties. This is not a left-right paradigm.

          • bob

            You equate accidental individual deer crossings with terrorist acts of massive destruction?? Really?
            It’s amazing how there are people who expect to be kept safe.
            as we all should, but complain about every single method used..
            It really amazes me.
            There were probably people who told Ghandi that he shouldn’t wear white, or needed cleaner sandals, or told MLK that boycotts and marches were acts of Communism..Oh, that’s right, they did call him a Communist..Can’t we get the anti-Obama fringe to stop blaming our government for protecting us so effectively, knowing that they are clueless as to what they have truly prevented?

          • James Moe Morency

            no, what i am saying is the money being spent on “security” is not to keep us safe, it is to keep us under the government’s thumb. I guarantee there will be another terrorist attack, and i guarantee when it happens there will be a call for more money, more DHS, more survielance to keep us “safe”. it is all a hoax, we are being treated like criminals in our own country and fools like you are allowing it to happen. all the money on earth wont protect you from a deer jumping in the road, and all the money on earth, all the survielance on earth will not stop a rogue assasin from doing what he wants to do. We are wasting hundreds of billions of dollars on something that will never keep us safe while our infrastructure crumbles, our veterans dont get the care they need and hundreds, if not thousands of more productive ways that money could be spent. this is not about Obama, it is about government in general. BOTH PARTIES ARE COMPLICIT!!!

          • bob

            I respectfully disagree. I believe with my heart and soul that, although the govt. has a long record of lying, and distortion, to the public that they are trying to use “chatter” and have done an excellent job at protecting us. I believe that there is much that we don’t know, as it is classified. I believe that we, and the Israelis, and maybe the Russians and Chinese, have the best protection from their secret agencies in the world..I am glad we have them, and I have yet to hear of any individual misuse of their technology on irrelevant and non-threatening parties..I accept the trade off and the fact that some sacrifices and tolerance is required if we want to prevent another 9/11.

          • James Moe Morency

            33 years working crypto security. im am telling you that we are wasting our money. yes, we do pick up “chatter” , and it is helpful. that can be accomplished for about a billionth of what we are spending. this is all just a ruse to monitor US! The more we complain, they roll out another false flag attack and scream they need more money. there are people working for the government who spend their days looking through all their neighbors personal e-mail, their enemies emails and photos, any girl they may be interrested in personal accounts and worse. We are being played for fools, and they are doing it on our dime.

          • bob

            well that stinks! Thank you for exposing what seems to be a ridiculous exercise. Be abused technology really troubles me. What false flag announcements have been made? I hope you don’t believe that the marathon bombing was a setup.

          • James Moe Morency

            i do not know about the marathon bombing, but these recent riots are all set up. watch for one to happen in Cleveland, they have been pushing it, the locals just havent taken the bait yet. Most of the aggitators are bussed in and paid to make trouble.

          • bob

            What have we become? Where are our true leaders?

          • James Moe Morency

            This is world wide. We have been sold to the corporations. Our vote does not matter and we are not allowed to know what is going on. James Camaron in England may have given a hint of what’s to come when he said ” we’ve been too lackadaisical thinking we can just get by obeying the law and we will be left alone. We must also learn to love Big Brother”. In other words, embrace big government or else.what the hell has happened to freedom? Who ever thought law abiding vets and patriots would be the counter culture? College used to be where you went and you exchanged ideas and you learned from each other. Now you are only indoctrinated by professors and told what to groupthink and walk around like a bunch of obedient robots. You don’t dare express a alternate opinion. If you should have the gall, get permission first, make an appointment to use “the free speech zone” for your allotted time slot and get what you want to say or share pre approved! Pre approval for free speech! These kids should be marching on Washington and raising the same hell I did in the 60’s.

          • James Moe Morency

            one more quick point. If the government is really just concerned about our security, whhy are they leaving the border wide open? why are they flying in 60,000 Muslims a year without even vetting them, and putting them in our neighborhoods? why did Obama release 65,000 known Mexican criminals from jail to walk our streets? the Patriot Act has nothing to do with security.

          • bob

            Oy vey..Bernie Sanders would never permit this.
            He says “corporations that are too big to fail are too big”

          • LastGasp

            Your ignorance is amazing. THE GOVERNMENT IS THE TERRORIST.

          • bob

            That is what I’ve been saying..I used the term “Meddlers”

          • LastGasp

            Your chances of being killed by a terrorist are less than being struck by lightening, twice! And the government has nothing to do with our safety, just control.

          • LastGasp

            Have they caught any terrorists through their massive surveillance? Beside government operatives, that is.

          • bob

            Don’t they report that information directly to you?

          • LastGasp

            Do your homework, slick. Obozo didn’t “get” bin Laden. Pretty tough to “get” someone who has been dead for years. Late 2001 bin Ladin died of renal failure. Big hoax/diversion/distraction on obozo’s part because his fraudulent S.S. number and fake draft registration had just been made public.

          • bob

            So he died and Bush said “mission accomplished” about an
            un-necessary and damaging invasion, but never took
            credit for meeting his promise to get Bin Laden..Next you’ll
            be telling us that the Marathon bombings were fake.
            Why not? That’s what all the anti-Obama loons are saying..
            They just conveniently forget what a mess this country was
            in when he came into office.
            People buying homes, fewer soldiers dying overseas,
            unemployment down, gas prices down, more small businesses
            started, roads and bridges being rebuilt in America
            AND you haven’t paid one precious penny more in taxes.
            (which is the most patriotic act a citizen can perform)
            (Congress wouldn’t allow it anyhow)
            Yet you still throw your dislike for him out there….
            Seems like nothing would make you happy.
            Still worried about his nationality?
            How did that idiotic distraction help.America?
            Any more distractions against the closet Muslim?

          • LastGasp

            You obviously are unable to see the reality of what this regime has done to America. you are pathetically and willfully ignorant of current events and obviously unable to answer any question with proof of your statements. It is physically sickening to read any more of your narrow minded programming. Don’t bother resonding if you can’t prove anything you’ve stated.

          • Beeker D.

            Another “D” is used DENY!

          • LastGasp

            WE DIDN’T GET BIN LADEN, you fool. He died from acute renal failure in 2001. You believe anything that obongo tells you, eh? How’s that, “You can keep your doctor” working for you? How about, “Obamacare will lower insurance premiums by $2500?” You want me to go on?

          • bob

            Please don’t call me a fool…The true fool would be George Bush,
            for not taking credit that he was dead..Unless you knew and he didn’t….I don’t work for Obama and don’t expect perfection from anyone..You really do seem bitter. I am willing to pay higher taxes in a nation that claims to be the greatest if my hard earned money makes us greater. I care about those who need help. I have a conscience.

          • bob

            You want to be protected, but you don’t want anyone surveilled?
            That makes absolutely no sense…

          • James Moe Morency

            I didn’t say I don’t want ANYONE surveilled. I said I don’t want EVERYONE surveilled. Hugh difference! If you surveill everyone you have so much information you cannot make sense of any of it. You go after the low hanging fruit and you get LEGAL AUTHORIZATION. Otherwise, why even have a constitution? You, sir are the one making no sense, thinking by giving up your privacy and freedom it will increase your safety. It will not, it makes you a prisoner and criminal in your own country

          • bob

            I must apologize I never knew I was conversing
            with a person wirh the inside knowlege to
            know that they haven’t gotten any derious threats and have
            been failing because they are being distracted by the
            little easy and irrelevant ones.
            Weren’t you amongst the millions of McCain supporters
            who said that if Obama were elected we’d have another 9/11?
            Remember them?
            Remember the idiots at Fox who said that if Obama
            let’s gas prices go over $4.00 he was losing
            control of our country, and then said he was
            destroying our economy when he let gas slip to $2.00.
            Why do you people think you can complain, no matter
            what is happening?…That is called “micromanagement”,
            and it is hilarious when those who don’t know every detail
            claim that they know better..Have we had another 9/11?
            Why didn’t Bush claim to capture Bin Laden?

          • James Moe Morency

            I have never been a McCain supporter. You are looking at this as if it were a left-right paradigm. It isn’t. Both parties are crap. Both parties want control of everything we do. They want to control the media, the Internet, our phone calls, texts and tweets. We have been sold to the corporations. We are being told to eat their GMO crap, take their poisonous prescription drugs, take their deadly vaccines and all will be OK. BOTH PARTIES ARE IN ON THIS! They put up a show that they are different to keep us fighting, but why do you think the republicans have been caving so much to the president lately? They are working together. Time to wake up, educate yourself on what is REALLY going on and save yourself. It is not too late. You can start by looking up the Cloward-Piven strategy. Read that and then tell me that is not exactly what is happening in America”

          • bob

            I am in the food industry. http://Www.mygrandma.com
            I could not agree with you more about the US basically
            being a cluster of corporations and industries protected
            by elected hound dogs on their behalf.(except the little guys)
            No more EPA or FDA oversight. They accept corporate
            funded “studies” and use the to enact law.
            This is true of big pharma, fracking oil companies,
            and numerous others that could never get away with
            the same during the things pre-Reagan years.
            Our country is presently bought and still for sale.
            You and I are on more than we realize.
            By the way, I am one of the few on Boston radio that say
            “Hooray for the Tsarneav death sentence”
            The last thing that we need is to keep him alive for
            an eventual ISIS hostage trade demand
            I say “kill him while he’s worthless”..

          • LastGasp

            “Why didn’t Bush capture bin Laden?” Maybe because bin Laden died in late 2001 from acute renal failure. Guess what, ace? Obongo didn’t capture or kill him , either. Why do you think ALL Seal Team 6 were murdered? Why do you think there were no pictures, no proof of bin Laden’s dead corpse?

          • bob

            But you believed the Jessica Lynch , “mission accomplished” and Pat Tillman stories, didn’t you?

          • Jamie Hall

            Shameful, if it’s true. I wouldn’t put anything past this administration though. Tricky Dick couldn’t hold a candle to Oblunder.

          • bob

            Please don’t forget Jessica Lynch, Pat Tillman, and Mission Accomplished….and Colin Powell admitting that he was asked to bold face lie. It’s sad to say that our most honest Presidents were Nixon and Carter…and whatever happened to Spiro Agnew? And why isn’t anyone talking to Sirhan Sirhan?..Just wondering.

          • Buck

            I wouldnt believe Powell any more than I would you bob. He covered up the me lye massacrea in Vietnam

          • bob

            right, so we agree that the people I was mentioning in the Bush administration were liars.

          • Buck

            Powell I think was a major at the time. This was in the american division. The south Vietnamese were supposed to be on our side yet american soldiers killed them. The officer in charge was william Callie. He was a 2nd Lt. He was a platoon comander. The people in the village were not the enemy nor did they have guns. Bob I was an American soldier. And in my book americans do not murder innocent women, children and old men. It was right out of the stories we here about what the japs did to our people in world war 2. And Powell attempted to cover it up. Of course some one higher in the chain of comand ordered him to do it. Nothing he could ever say would make me beleive him on any thing. Buck

          • bob

            one of my closest friends, and former boss, was Lieutenant in Vietnam.he was a lieutenant, and blown up 3 times, but insisted on going back to his men all three times. He hobbles around quite a bit now, but carries a great bit of pride. Let’s just say he’s not a John Kerry or Colin Powell fan either…War is Hell, and is takes can be made..We are all only human and sometimes we can get worn down and our emotions get the best of us, and that is not even in the middle of gunfire over your head and seeing your buddies shot…You guys all did the honorable thing and veteran’s hospitals should be on the top of the list for performance….It kills me to see these waiting lists, and I hope I don’ t open a can of worms when I tell you that I believe that George Bush closed more VA hospitals than any President, ever…But let’s research it tomorrow and see if Obama passed him, because if he did, I could never forgive him. It’s 2:30 am here, but I wanted to get back to you. Goodnight!
            .

          • Jamie Hall

            Ben Franklin once said, “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” ”Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.” ”He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.”

            This has been the prevailing wisdom at least since the days of our founding fathers. If that doesn’t answer your question, you’re not worth the time and effort of further discussion.

          • bob

            Why do you have to end up good point with a
            passive aggressive insult?
            This is why Congress can’t agree on anything.
            They are too busy being sarcastic and antagonistic,
            which interferes with their ability to create unity.

          • Jamie Hall

            Hmmmm… I got nothin’. :/

          • LastGasp

            Still not one word of proof. FAIL

          • NOBODY found ANY weapons of mass destruction..Not even falsely planted ones. THAT is why NO ONE wrote about it..Unless it was in one of those comic books you read..
            Go ahead..Show me, send me to ONE article written about the horrible weapons we found that Ronald Reagan’s buddy was hiding…I can show you thousands of articles about all of the weapons still being used against us by the Taliban that Ronald Reagan GAVE to the Taliban…good move, eh??

          • James Moe Morency

            Why the World Did Not Know about WMD in Iraq
            November 19, 2014 by Carter Andress 55 Comments
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            1792-80825After U.S. Central Command called on us to help transport from Iraq enough yellowcake uranium to make several atomic bombs stored at Saddam’s nuclear weapons complex, I realized why neither the Pentagon nor the White House advertised the presence of this WMD precursor: safety and security.

            Before the U.S. military moved in to secure the facility after the 2003 invasion, looters had been there first. Even though the universally recognized yellow-and-black radioactivity warnings were posted on the bunkers, locals had ripped open the storage areas and stolen casks of yellowcake with many sickened as a result. More importantly, we did not want the insurgents alerted to the exposed stockpile as they might attack the facility. This is also why the George W. Bush administration did not crow about the approximately 5,000 chemical munitions that U.S. forces uncovered throughout Iraq, as recently reported by the New York Times. That is a serious quantity of WMD, by any standard. Interestingly, the Bush team could have diluted near-uniform shock at the failure to find WMD by highlighting these discoveries instead of allowing the narrative we all know to solidify: “no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq found except a few dozen old, mustard-gas artillery shells left over from the 1980s Iran-Iraq War.” Yet President Bush and his advisors chose to protect the troops and the mission rather than score political points back on the war’s second front, the American body politic. (None of this, however, mitigates any unpreparedness by the Pentagon to treat service members exposed to chemical weapons.)

            Before my company arrived to provide guards and to build and operate a base camp for U.S. Department of Energy scientists dissecting Saddam’s nuclear weapons facility, the American Army had occupied the site with almost a company of infantry. This was quite a bit of combat power tethered to a non-populated, static location when needed to actively defend the people against the elusive al-Qaeda in Iraq terrorists and Iranian-allied militias rampant until early 2008 when the American Surge forces and the Sunni Arab “Awakening” had turned the tide delivering our victory in the Iraq War. The limited number of combat troops available did not permit fixing them at every site where WMD were found or might be found. Hence the requirement to not advertise that Saddam had left thousands of chemical weapons lying around, potentially under any mound in mostly flat Iraq. That would have set off a dangerous treasure hunt—and if found, a tremendous threat to American troops and everyone in Iraq especially if weaponized nerve gas had ended up with al-Qaeda.

            We were able to move the yellowcake successfully because of our proven relationships with the tribes along our supply line to the nuclear weapons facility, located at the center of an area known as the “Triangle of Death,” due to extensive U.S. combat fatalities suffered there. Because of our and other U.S. government contractors’ employment of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, we helped drain the swamp (or “sea” in Maoist terms) whence the al-Qaeda insurgency sprung. The uranium operation caused us, as usual, to rent trucks from the surrounding tribes with comprehensive war-loss insurance (meaning if a truck got blown up then the owner took the loss). This in turn caused the tribes to look outwards on the convoy movements to protect their expensive tractor trailers instead of inwards—searching for a chance to attack. Doing business for the tribes with the American government, and then the Iraqi government, turned out to be safer than supporting the nihilistic, totalitarian jihadis and the traitorous Sadrists, minions of Iran.

            Regardless of what position one takes on the U.S. invasion, the world could not abide by large quantities of nuclear weapons precursor in the hands of the genocidal tyrant in Baghdad. As we are seeing with the current, seemingly endless negotiations with Iran, the millionaire mullahs of Tehran are using the pretext of “peaceful” nuclear power generation in order to assert that the denial thereof is a direct assault on a nation’s sovereignty. Consequently, the concept that we could have gotten the yellowcake removed from Iraq as a part of lifting the rapidly degrading sanctions and truly certifying the country clean of all chemical weapons without the overthrow of Saddam defies logic and experience. The continued possession by Iraq of approximately 5,000 chemical warheads undiscovered after almost eight years of aggressive UN inspections along with the existence of enough yellowcake uranium to make 14 or so nuclear bombs with technology that the Iranians and Libyans already possessed calls for a new coda to replace “Bush lied, people died.” Certainly, we should look to the reinstatement of a principle justification for the American invasion of Iraq.

          • LastGasp

            Bring the articles on, ace. Show us proof or STFU.

          • bob

            You really didn’t know that we armed the Taliban from 1986-1988
            to fight the Russians? Really? Just Google I
            “Arms supplies and Mujahadeen” or US supplies to Afghan freedom fighters.
            Are you seriously saying that you didn’t know that Reagan
            sent them almost all of their weapons?
            You didn’t know that those “freedom fighters” are the Taliban?
            Ask anyone….

          • Jamie Hall

            Anybody who has ever even seen the movie Rambo 3 can tell you that. In that space and time, it seemed like the humane thing to do. It’s just sad and unfortunate the way they subsequently ended up expressing their eternal gratitude.

          • LastGasp

            Yeah, I always go to the movies to know what’s going on in the world. Rambo and Hollywood really have a good understanding of global politics and relevant current affairs.

          • Jamie Hall

            Hollywood or not, there’s more truth in that movie than in most of what the mainstream media spews out on such matters.

          • LastGasp

            What are you, bobkat’s big brother? Did I say I didn’t know about arms deals with the Taliban? I’ll let you in on a little secret you apparently don’t know,,,,,,If you want to make a point in a discussion you don’t tell your audience to go look it up, YOU PROVIDE THE SOURCE YOU USED TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT.
            Oh, and another thing, ace, you won’t make many points using Wikipedia as a reference source. It is an OPEN SOURCE encyclopedia, you know. That means that anybody can write the articles or edit them and they are not peer reviewed for verification.

          • bob

            sorry..I don’t know why I come up as both..but I am bobkats…no secret or underhanded plan here.Honestly though, there are are thousands of sources saying how we were arming the Mujahadeen…Even members of the Cabinet bragged about helping the freedom fighters, just as we armed the Kurds, and the Serbs, etc..
            I don’t understand the disconnect here. Is there one?

          • Jamie Hall

            So, I guess the fact that Saddam diverted an entire swamp to kill off the indigenous population there just because they dared join structured efforts to keep him in check, well let me see, genocide by unconventional means. Damn it, for the life of me I just don’t see the wrong in that.

            There was an entire documentary devoted to this subject several years back. So quit ranting and go look it up.

          • bob

            Jamie, do you really want to be the Police force for the entire civilized world…(even if Americans die) and you still haven’t learned from Iraq that we can make things even worse?
            Don’t forget that Stalin was our ally for 7 years…

            BUT YOU DON’T WANT YOUR TAXES TO GO UP??

            Shouldn’t we be in the Sudan and Somalia too?

          • John Wirts

            If you Haven’t noticed O’Dumbshit is unsuccessfully trying to withdraw from the middle east. Our Leaderless Fear is GIVING OUR LATEST PLANES AND ARMAMENT to groups who turn against us! He have given money and equipment to our enemies, and has FAILED TO END THE WAR!!! WHERE ARE THE PEACENIKS WHO DEMANDED THAT BUSH END THE WAR 7+ YEARS AGO? They are noticeably silent with O’Dumbshit in office!!!

          • LastGasp

            Another big mouth that only looks at the superficial aspects of anything. How about when he gassed the KURDS? What is your point, anyway? I didn’t make any statements, did I? I just asked one loud mouth for proof of what he stated. Now, if you think I’m going to waste my time looking up some government produced documentary that proves nothing, you’re delusional. Give me a link if you want to prove a point or STFU.

          • bob

            I’m sorry Last gasp,, but if you need proof that the US supplied weapons to the “freedom fighters” in Afghanistan then you ARE an idiot.

          • LastGasp

            The ‘freedom fighters’ were terrorists..Obama and Hillary destabilized Libya and the weapons were routed to al Qeda and ISIS. We created al Qeda to fight the USSR.

          • bob

            You are 100% correct. It is a mess over there, and has been a mess for over four thousand years. So why do you believe we should get in the middle of it?
            Shouldn’t we just support Israel, and protect our borders?

          • Jamie Hall

            I have better things to do with my time than sit and look up links you can look up yourself. Try starting with wikipedia.org I just checked and there are several articles that brush up against this subject, although admittedly with heavy emphasis on its effect on ecosystems. But it’s as good a jumping off point as any and it took me less than 5 minutes to peruse. Now go make yourself useful by educating yourself.

          • John Wirts

            check the 12 D’s above ID TEN T!

          • bob

            You really don’t understand how we armed the Taliban?? What planet have you been on, Last Gasp?

          • LastGasp

            You really didn’t understand my comment, did you? I didn’t say anything about how we armed the Taliban, did I? Note who I was responding to, please.
            “I can show you thousands of articles about all of the weapons still
            being used against us by the Taliban that Ronald Reagan GAVE to the
            Taliban…good move, eh??”
            FYI, I know how the Taliban was and is armed. The point is making bobkats prove what he said. Or you for that matter, if you want to get snotty.

          • bob

            You really need me to “bring on the articles” documenting what you already know is common fact, to “show us the truth”?…Now I’m supposed to send thousands of articles?? Why? You don’t believe they were ever told to us, or published?? Then how did you know it happened?

          • John Wirts

            If you shit your britches, and everyone knew by the stain and the smell, your ID TEN T a** would demand an article in your preferred news source “as proof” and since this event would not be newsworthy, you would deny it ever happened. The documents were found, but so much time had passed “so what does it matter”? LIBS practice the 12 D’s

            In 1832 Noah Webster stated “[I]f the citizens neglect their duty and
            place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be
            corrupted”.

            The Democratic Party—the so-called progressive party—is not only
            corrupt but is wedded to what I call:

            The 12 D’s of Progressive ism: Deny, Defy, Distort, Deceive, Discredit, Demonize, Distract, Discourage, Destroy, Do, Disagree, Disclose.

            In this day and age, as politics becomes more and more corrupt, the
            political tactics recommended by Saul Alinsky have been perfected by today’s progressive democrats. Not only that, they are now widely
            used by our liberals throughout our celebrity society.We have gone
            from civil discourse, to uncivil, to corrupt in just three administrations. One can pinpoint when the new tactics started: in the early 90’s during the Clinton’s first presidential campaign as they established a “bimbo eruptions team”. Hillary Clinton, who was the brains of the outfit, used her expertise gained from Saul Alinski’s book “Rules for Radicals” to usher in a whole new strategy on how to deal with opposing individuals and ideas. No doubt er expertise revealed in her college thesis was put to good use as she rewrote the rule book for the Clinton camp. Take any politician today, especially a
            democrat, who gets in trouble and see how many of the 12 D’s they employ. To enable the strategy you need to have a news media that is no longer objective, and panders to those in power, while pushing their own agenda in concert with the politicians. No doubt the mainstream media has sold its soul to the DNC. The media has become the de facto Public Relations arm of the Democrat Party, Obama White House, and liberals in general. Pravda would be proud. With the media’s assistance, anytime liberals find themselves in an embarrassing or compromising situation, they simply employ the “12D’s” of progressivism.

            1. DENY: Deny the facts while claiming that the issue in question
            has nothing to do with the evidence at hand. Common weasel wording includes such lines as: there is an “on-going investigation and I cannot comment on it”. Also deny being part of what has taken
            place. Bill Clinton’s famous denial ‘I did not have sex with that woman…” is an example of this tactic. Obama’s denials concerning the attack on the consulate in Benghazi, Libya is another example.

            2. DEFY: Display artificial indignation and claim to be a victim, even when the opposition has photos, video, recordings and witnesses
            proving their story to be factual. Then play the beleaguered victim
            while hurling accusations at the accusers.

            3. DISTORT: Cloud the facts, bend the truth, and blame everything on someone else (e.g. the previous administration). With this tactic it
            is important to use some facts, but not the whole truth and to bend
            the truth in the desired direction. Mainstream media surrogates make this easier:

            4. DECEIVE: When necessary, lie. Go on the attack with the most
            offensive story possible. Offer up counter accusations to throw the
            opposition off balance. According to Alinski, if your enemy is
            spending his time defending himself, he can’t pursue accusations
            against you.

            5. DISCREDIT: Create doubt about the opposition’s integrity, honor, character, proof, witnesses, video, or photos through
            lies, distortions, and counter-accusations—preferably aided by the
            mainstream media. Get the media on message with talking points and “Key phrases”.

            6. DEMONIZE: Accuse and label the opposition. Use the old “they
            want …” line and fill in the blank from the following menu: They want… to starve kids, to take medicine away from old people,
            pollute the water and air, live large while others starve, keep it
            all for themselves, let people to die while they profit, etc. Over
            the past four years the Obama administration has used the following
            terms to describe the opposition: “malicious”, “insensitive”, “evil”, “hostile”, “threatening, “the enemy”, and “flat earthers” to name just a few. Class warfare is an effective aspect of this tactic.

            7.DISTRACT: Create another crisis such as the fiscal cliff debacle,
            to distract people from the real story (e.g. Benghazi, etc.). Create
            a “war on…” women, children, the poor or blame it all on
            something else such as a video or anything else that will distract
            observers from the real issue.

            8. DISCOURAGE: Threaten the opposition with dire consequences. Get the media to join in by echoing the threat. To see firsthand this
            tactic in practice watch CNBC or MSNBC.

            9. DESTROY: Engage in character assassination. Go after any aspect of their life that might be vulnerable—nothing is off limits—and use maximum intimidation while claiming the opposition is “mean spirited” and engages in the “politics of personal destruction.”
            Divide and conquer the opposition by pitting them against each other.

            10. DO: Press you agenda while the opposition is distracted by your
            tactics. As the media adds to the distraction by covering your
            distortions and misdirection, make as much progress advancing your
            agenda as possible.

            11. DISAGREE: Continue to disagree about the facts no matter what
            happens. Disagree vehemently and loudly with anyone in the opposition no matter how obvious the validity of their claims may be. Follow Hillary Clinton lead in giving testimony on the Benghazi debacle: pound the table in indignation. Look directly at the camera and with all of the artificial sincerity you can muster, claim your innocence.

            12. Disclose: Acknowledge the facts of the case but only when the
            trial is over, the election is won, statute of limitations has passed, you don’t think it will matter anymore, or the book deal payoff is big enough. Finally, admit the truth but make light of itas if the matter is of little importance—after all it happened so long ago. Do not admit to any responsibility, and show no remorse.

            These are the tactics that make up the grand strategy of today’s
            so-called progressive democrats. Observe liberal democrats during
            Obama’s second term and I believe you will find that Noah Webster
            was right!

          • John Wirts
          • Jamie Hall

            I’m not saying the U.S. government didn’t make mistakes too, but that doesn’t mean they were all wet about Saddam. Read my reply to LastGasp.

          • bob

            They owe us NO gratitude. We are meddlers as were the British colonialists…We bring “democracy” like the Greeks brought “modern medicine” and the Roman brought “aqueducts and technology” and the British brought “civilization”..
            They have been fighting eachother for thousands of years, just like the English and the Irish..Why didn’t we get involved with that mess??

            We should be buildiing roads and bridges here, and protecting OUR borders…Greece and Rome fell because they spread themselves too thin and had the higher than mighty “too big to fail” attitude..How did that work out?

          • Jamie Hall

            It may have evolved into meddling. But does that excuse begging for help and then shooting your helpers in the back with the very weapons they provided for you to have a fighting chance to defend yourselves with? You tell me.

          • bob

            We were conned by the “Mujahadeen” as they called themselves freedom fighters, against the USSR…We have been duped before..They cut off heads and laugh at our disgust…They are from a different age..
            Just like our Minutemen laughed at the British when they played the bagpipes and were so civil in their occupation of New England and their upper crust war efforts…We laughed because the bagpipes would warn us that they were coming..
            So we hid in the bushes and trees and picked them off with snipers (how uncivilized).
            I will argue to the end that anyone who believes that torture is beneath us is preventing us from beating these savages at their own game..Even the damn Japanese, Vietnamese and Koreans, tortured us..Why do we try to convince ourselves that war is civil and clear cut, when it is exactly the opposite and should be avoided at all costs.?

          • Jamie Hall

            You make a good point. I’ll say that much.

          • bob

            Thank you Jamie. We all want to prevent these people from
            creating the same terror here as they have in London, Madrid, and
            many other non-middle east cities…The problem.on this
            site is that instead of pointing fingers we should be making
            serious suggestions. Some even believe that
            there is no terrorist threat….They are unable to comprehend the nature and history of our species.

          • LastGasp

            Your reply was irrelevant and insipid. You shouldn’t use it to explain anything if you want to retain any credibility.

          • Jamie Hall

            Still gasping I see. Your name suits you. Aside from that, to which specific reply were you referring? Because, in case you hadn’t noticed, I have replied to comments by more than one person.

          • John Wirts

            Very Strange, I was in the military for 43 years, when the Mushadine were fighting the Russians, the U.S. sent them arms, including the latest anti-aircraft rockets, anti-armor rockets, and weapons of mass destruction. We sent them to Iran, and then Senator Clinton voted to go to war for a Democratic President. The weapons were found after Bush was out of office but “Bush Lied People Died” remains the mantra of the left.

          • It’s only strange to people who don’t care to understand the realities of the changing world..By the way, we don’t call Japanese or Vietnamese people “gooks”, cars have automatic windows, cell phones can be used more than 200 yards from the home line, and microwave ovens cook food faster.. Welcome out of 1970!!They were called the Mujahadeen” (which means “freedom fighters) who supported Sharia Law, but what did we care??, Reagan armed them because anything against Russia must be good.. THEY ARE the Taliban.. Plain and simple..We did the world a disservice for over 50 years by putting the Shah, and Noriega and other anti-Communist “good guys” , even Hussein, into powerful leadership decisions, then we took them out once they were proven to be pure evil fascists..We helped Hussein overthrow a democratically elected leader.. How did that work out?? They were the reason why we have to rethink our foreign policies or be destined to create even more overseas torture and hatred towards us for it.. Get it now??

          • John Wirts

            Yes you have an ID TEN T virus!

          • LastGasp

            Why do you hate the U.S? Why do you hate Veterans? Why do you love obozo?

          • Beeker D.

            In your comment you used at least 3 of the “D”‘s liberal/progressive/National Socialist demoKrats(nazi’s) normally use: Distort, Deceive and Demonize! Let me add a fourth “D” that during discourse the new FASCISTS of the left attempt to use and that would be to “Diverge”!
            You Hit All Four, Feckless One!

          • Rudy McGillvray

            So you obviously think the Dem/Libs are doing a better job?

          • bob

            No, there is a sad stalemate of uselessness in DC..on the part of BOTH parties.
            But take a look..Republicans have ALWAYS been much wealthier than Democrats.
            Democrats make a far more serious effort to distance themselves from
            conflicts with the middle class, educators and unions,
            while the Republicans favor big pharma, oil, and war profiteers like
            Halliburton and are always anti-union….just simple facts.
            Democrats want illegals to serve in the military and pay taxes, Republicans want to spend
            billions of our tax money to catch them and sent them back..
            Democrats want to tax marijuana and stop risking the lives of the police
            paying for out of control drug raids, and the Republicans want to continue the futile,
            dangerous, and costly overfilling our prisons with those who pos3ess marijuana..
            Of course Democrats and liberals believe that gays have the right to the dignity of matrimony,
            and the Republicans (even the ones in the closet) still promote the archaic claims
            that homosexuality is a choice that is evil…(not all Democrats are liberal)

          • John Wirts

            The Deamoncrats start a war lose the election and BLAME THE REPUBLICANS FOR THE DEAMONCRAT WAR. O’Dumbshit PROMISED WE WOULD BE OUT OF IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN BY THE END OF HIS FIRST YEAR IN OFFICE AND GUANTANAMO WOULD BE CLOSED, AND THERE WOULD BE PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST. WHERE ARE ALL THE PEACENIK DEMONSTRATIONS demanding O’dumbshit keep his promises! WHO IS THE WARMONGER PARTY< IF YOU SAY ANYTHING OTHER THEN DEMONCRAT, YOU'RE A LIAR LIKE ALL "PROGRESSIVES"!!

          • bob

            I hate to break it to you John, but there will never be peace in the Middle east…and Halliburton wants it to stay that way..
            (we all know how much the Republicans and their investments do)…do you really care if Guantanamo is open or not??
            Boy, that really effects my daily life..

          • John Wirts

            What I care about is that we either defend ourselves against Radical muslim invasion, and keep our country safe, or surrender to the radical(all) muslims, and submit to sharia law, with it’s “honor” killings, right to beat, kill, even eat spouses, and maybe children if you are hungry! But for the country we were we would be speaking German and unless we were in the right group exterminated to purify human race to become exclusively the “PURE ARYAN RACE’ Even I with my German heritage an not so stupid as to believe I would come out alive in that purge!

          • bob

            agreed 100%. The Islamic faith has become an evil weapon.

          • John Wirts

            How come the Deamoncrats can’t or won’t see this/ Do they have an insane desire to see heads on poles, maybe even theirs?

          • bob

            Oh, they see it. No matter what Obama does, he’ll be accused of jumping in the wrong time, siding with the wrong warlords, supporting the wrong dictator…How do you decide between saudi Arabia and Iran??? Oh, you side with the Saudis? Then you support Assad..It’s a mess over there, and there is NO right answer…But, we must admit that if we stayed out of there, we wouldn’t have to worry about Hussein preventing this..
            We put him in, and then we took him out..
            Everyone made mistakes and it is the lesser mistakes, and actions aimed towards preventing them from coming here that I want spending my tax dollars..Anyone who thinks that there is one right method is full of it…I have no sympathy for that jackass they just killed 2 miles from me last week in Massachusetts..
            The only thing I don’t understand about Obama is why we continue to watch these caravans of militia, on one way roads in the middle of the dessert, and we don’t take them all out right then and there.That would be a good start. Right?

          • John Wirts

            IF they see it they are suicidal! With TB, WHOOPING COUGH<, POLIO , LEPROSY and other formerly eradicated diseases returning to the U.S., with a Border Patrol chopper shot at from Mexico across the border. With both ISIS, and Mexico bragging they will take over the U.S. and "PROGRESSIVES" claiming that everything is under control! If you believe that I have some wonderful KOOL-AID for you.

          • bob

            Yeah and I remember what a Muslim anti-American Obama was..
            has Reverand Wright been harming us lately?? Or EVER?
            Using scare tactics and not deciphering truth from fiction, but instead jumping at every quack that speaks up is what caused this whole Iraq mess in the first place..Who is against patrolling the borders? Do you know that under the Obama administration we have deported twice as many immigrants as Bush did? Do you realize that in EIGHT YEARS the Bush admin. had LESS than 2,000 immigrants/illegals deported?? Presently we near 500 annually…Numbers don’t lie.
            You really are worried about what ISIS says??
            They still think burning a president in effigy bothers us.
            it took them 6 years to kill 5 cartoonists..I think we have this under control..One or two suicide bombers does not a war make.
            Unless you can profit from it..Then..FULL steam ahead!!
            Democrats care about the middle class. and make many mistakes. My former Republican friends are greedy traitors, loyal only to the mighty dollar/ Unless you’ve been elected to public office you probably believe the money spent by the Republicans in PR…like the good old Koch Brothers and Phillip Morris..
            Why don’t you take an honest look, step back and realize that they both stink because the system has been overcome by greed. That is just another reason why so many foreigners hate America…Great guy, that Shah and his buddies in Central and South America were, eh? Guess who put them there?

          • bob

            If there is a Hell, I expect that Mohammad is either burning in it, or turning over in his grave, because history is proving that he was a complete failure as a prophet.

          • John Wirts

            Well when the West had a pair and the churches were not so politically correct, I would agree with you. But with everyone getting offended by my beliefs, the churches , the Lame Stream Propaganda Mills, the public liberal indoctrination centers, the tyrannical politicians, and journalists. All of whom denounce the documents and principles which made this country great. You will deny this until the remove your head and put it on a pole.

          • bob

            I’m not realistically taking your horrific predictions seriously.
            From 1946-1960 we were told that the Commies were living next door to us..They were not and the “Red scare” was proven to be a farce..
            The US needs an enemy to keep the military budget up.
            This is what Eisenhower warned us against..
            I don’t understand how 50 more stealth bombers and 200 more nukes is a good investment in this war.
            We are not at war with a gang of 30,000 thugs..We are at war with a 2 billion person philosophy whom wants to take over our democracies by overpopulating…and THAT is our biggest threat..
            Not in your or my lifetime, but certainly within 50 years if they keep teaching the poisonous crap they do to their dozens of kids.
            We should censor and monitor all things Muslim..Too bad if it’s not politically correct. It is a clear and present danger.
            Notice that they don’t bother the Chinese?? Wonder why?
            Because the Chinese are next, and they don’t permit ANY religion from being practiced..Too bad we can’t get them to see it yet…

          • kenmarx49

            John Wirts: you missed one D. Dufus, as in bobcats.

          • Chris Rasmussen

            Impressivey well observed, Bobkats!

          • bob

            Thank you Chris, now you have to help me out on the same conservative website that are all calling Obama a Muslim. Their response to the Oregon slaughter, is that Obama doesn’t care because the shooter was anti Christian.

          • Tim Miller

            I’m going to go out on a limb here, but your either an ultra liberal, or a socialist??? That’s some bad kool aid you been drinkin buddy.

          • bob

            Yeah sure because I oppose affirmative action, virtually all abortion, don’t want Muslims terrorists or suicidal people to get guns, & I believe in the death penalty. Those are real liberal positions. Those are American positions. If you haven’t noticed this isn’t the black and white world anymore. People who continue to put labels on others just to feel better, I’m missing out on some great opportunity to have constructive dialogue.
            Oh yeah, I mentioned guns, that must make me a liberal.

          • Bruce Weatherly

            Don’t waste your time bodkats, you’ll have them applying the 12 D’s to your comments.

          • John Wirts

            That’s nor the republicans that’s the RINO’s between the DeamoncRATS and the RINO’s I think no one younger then 35 will live out their days in america, it will go the way of the Roman Empire in a very short time, for the same reasons, corruption, perversion and greed. I’m 71 hopefully this country will last long enough for me to die in peace, I feel sorry for the youth of today.

        • Mike O’Mara

          Very well done. Thank you.

        • LastGasp

          How about “disrupt and divert?”

      • Canadave

        C02 is not a problem and in fact the planet would be better off if C02 levels increased. Life could not exist without it. C02 levels can be measured going back 100s of thousands of years and it’s known that when levels are higher life has always been better because it allows for the production of more food. C02 is in fact plant food. Like dDenny1 I remember back in the 70s when scientists had their nickers in a knot because the CONSENSUS was that increased C02 levels was rapidly bringing on an ice age. Anthropogenic Global Warming has been accurately been described as the biggest scientific scam in history and that’s not an exaggeration.

    • richardcancemi

      Right on!

    • Ashley

      Well put.

    • Julie Smalley

      I’m close in age I do remember the claims of an ice age and California soon to fall into the ocean, it was crap then and still is crap. Only those of us in school in the 60/70’s and paid attention know of this farce of global warming/climate change crap. Thanks for your excellent points and so true

    • John Smith

      Climate change or global warming or whatever words we choose, it became popularized in the 60s-70s. It was called “Air Pollution” back then. But, it really has been known about much longer than that. Check it out on the internet. Read some science articles. Get off the right wing flag waving “freedom of opinion” line of redneck nonsense and get real.

  • letfreedomring10

    Most everything the gov is involved in cannot be trusted, period. Lets get this straight, there in no truth in what has been said about CO2 emissions, indeed, plants use it to omit O2 back into the air for us to breath and live! How ignorant can Americans be to believe this nonsense?

    • ravenwings

      The only thing I can come up with… Is they are not longer taught such things in science class!

    • So the tripling of tornadoes and the whole ozone layer issue was made up??

      • ravenwings

        Has nothing to do with it… Absolutely nothing.

        • The ozone layer problem was not created by man made pollution?
          Are the elephants and whales committing suicide, while the tuna ands sailfish force feed themselves mercury?
          Do you really believe that ignoring a potential problems good advice to kids? Again…look up the US Cancer belt/…|
          It saddens me that there are still people out there who call themselves intelligent and think that radiation and pollution don’t harm the planet..You must have been areal challeneger to convince that the ozone layer was being depleted by HUMAN actions..But that’s it….the only part of our climate that we could harm is the ozone layer….but nothing else…and you’d have been a big supporter of the world is flat geniuses too.

          • richardcancemi

            Do you know the difference between Climate and Atmosphere?
            You are ranting about different issues. What are your solutions? What do you think should be done to fix what you rant about?

          • The climate is in the atmosphere, which has rain, clouds, hot, cold, hail, snow, rain on an ongoing basis, which effects agriculture, the eco system and human habitation…
            The atmosphere changes when the climate gets stormy, hotter, colder, etc…
            If the atmosphere changes (due to man made depletion of the ozone) or excessive pollution, it effects the eco system, human habitation and numerous other previously stable natural occurrences..So, they all work hand in hand..
            if you sneeze, you don’t have a “sneeze” you have a cold.
            The bigger picture is that is climates are changing then the weather within those atmospheres will change also..That is a fact.
            Right?? Well that is what’s happening..It will not be a 3-4 year shocking trauma for most, but it will be, and has been, an irreversible wakeup precursor to shock in many parts of the world…Go ask the Eskimos… Go ask Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, Norway, and Greenland.Why are the Americans always the last to care? Why did it take us so long to fight the Nazis?…we’re selfish and oblivious whenever it’s convenient.
            How do we start?..GREAT QUESTION…much like we began recycling, we need to learn and teach how to damage our world minimally..
            FACT: 8 billion people create a lot more waste and use a lot more resources in 2015 than 1/2 billion people, without chemicals, toxins or other pollutants did in 1800.
            Won’t 10 billion people make it even more of a challenge??
            How arrogant can we believe that we should consume 28% of the world’s resources, yet populate only 6% of its surface?

          • JimRed

            So, you are a supporter of UN Agenda 21, which calls for reducing Earth’s human population by 85%? OK, you first. And instead of using those resources, shiver in the dark in a biodegradable hut, starving in the winter because it requires fuel to transport food.

          • Why do you go from one extreme to the other??
            Oh, I get it..You don’t care, obviously.

          • richardcancemi

            You are a true Liberal, used by the Progressives to their advantage, and hopelessly confused. Even your statement about a sneeze means you have a cols is wrong. People sneeze for various other reasons.. And saying that the climate is in the atmosphere makes o sense. But it is fun reading your statements.
            .

          • Oh..I understand you can sneeze from allergies, etc..My point was that if you have a sore throat and can’t breath you call it a sore throat..The true description of the illness is a cold…not “sniffles, or congestion”,,,It’s a cold or a flu..
            THAT’S WHY MEDICATION FOR A COLD AND FLUE IS DIFFERENT THAN A COUGH DROP,
            Where is the climate, if mot in the atmospher?.It’s not in my car, or my dentist’s office..The climate is located in the atmosphere, and all that I want is a better, cleaner world..I won’t make a penny from it..As a matter of fact, it costs me more to be cleaner, but I am willing to take better care of our earth and the earth of future generations, and don’t want to be known as “the dirty, indifferent generation”

          • Deepthink

            You truly have been BRAINWASHED with total lies!!

          • You have made NO points or stated no facts..You sound like you’re listening to Fox for your “news”…..They, and Rush, and Ann Coulter are hilarious…(unless you take them seriously)

          • So the climate isn’t located in our atmosophere?? Where is it, in the trunk of your car or someone’s pocket? Of course the climate exists ONLY in the atmosphere..It doesn’t snow in your trunk, does it?

          • PAUL JOSEPH

            I think it snows in yhou air head though

          • Because I’m not too lazy to not care??
            You have no point and apparently are a supporter of the pro-pollution lobby.. Very advanced of you.

          • PAUL JOSEPH

            Franklin Delano Roosevelt had anti Jewish views; so did his thug Brekenridge Long

          • anti-Jewish is not pro-Hitler and Roosevelt was not around to support or oppose Israel.. Roosevelt had Jews in his Cabinet and nominated 3 Jews for the Supreme court, including Justice Brandeis. It’s the Nazis you bring up, and liberals like Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin opposed them..Conservatives like Chamberlain, Ford, and numerous Senators were against war with Germany because of American financial interests and their fear of Communism..

      • richardcancemi

        Bobkats wake up! It is commendable that you are aware of all these calamities but you consistently miss the point.

      • Beeker D.

        Only an Ignorant Bland Fool would have missed the fraud that was perpetrated on the people over the Ozone Depletion Scam.
        WOW, ever wonder why Dupont and Union Carbide rolled over and played dead over the claims on R-22 & R-12(By the way, which they both had already started to phase out production even before the finger pointing began) ‘Patent Termination’ Ring A Bell There, BoBo?

        • bob

          Ozone scam?…You live on Avery small island…
          Even 10 year old know that they shouldn’t go
          exposing them elves to excessive sun rays.
          So now YOU and a few other dinosaurs still don’t believe it as fact?
          Sorry for you that you got caught with a warehouse full
          of spraycans…Bad advisors…

    • richardcancemi

      Sad to have to say that there are far too many ignorant Americans walking around this Nation. The big problem is that they vote! They are responsible for the hoodlums and hypocrites we have in Washington; and, are responsible for NOT holding responsible the liars, self-servers and traitors that are dismantling America. The Progressive Marxists derive their strength from Ignorance ( and Apathy ),

      • So it was the conservative Republican fascists who were first concerned with the ozone layer?…(not the Progressive Marxists?)
        They were the ones who wanted women to vote, and for equal rights.
        FACT: THEY SUPPORTED HITLER (nice friends you honor).
        If you really support them, why not throw a testimonial for Joe McCarthy?
        He’s be right there with ya, if he didn’t drink himself to death…

        • JimRed

          And when the Soviet Union opened its archives after the collapse, McCarthy was shown to be about 95% correct!

          • So all Professors, actors and media, as well as movie people were conspiring with the Communists?..That drunk Joe McCarthy
            ruined thousands of careers and families in one of our most embarrassing periods of history, and even NOW you believe that drunk???….One question: How much do you drink, Jim?

          • PAUL JOSEPH

            I don’t drink at all and I don’t use pot. Long live the Valstad Act

          • Freedom fighter

            it was the biggest embarrassment until Obama. He takes the loser cake. How many lives has he destroyed with open borders, Obamacare and funding terrorists?

          • Yeah, fewer military soldiers dying abroad than any year under Bush, more Americans working than any year since 2005, gas prices lower than any year in 12 years, more new homes being built since 2005..Yup, Obama’s killing us..
            What do you use as guidelines??? How much traitorous war profiteers and oil billionaires are profiting at our expense?
            You’re looking out for the bad guys..

          • Freedom fighter

            there are fewer americans working now, and making less money, than in 2005. look at the labor participation rate, that is the REAL number of people with jobs. 12 million fewer people employed. go ahead, look it up. you won’t, though, you would rather spread the liberal talking points than look at facts. just google “labor participation rate” that is the one number the government does not fudge.

          • And that number has been declining every year since 2000, and will continue (according to its own analysts) for another 25 years, no matter who is President….But, with more teens attending college then EVER (over 18 million now) that removes 2-3 million from the workforce, and with households not all requiring 2 working parents to get by, there are 4-5 million fewer females in the workforce..So, yes it continues to decline, but it is mostly offset with logical and positive rationale, and if ANYONE forgets the state of panic that this nation was in during the 4th quarter 2008, where estimates for gas prices were to exceed $7/gallon,
            (by Summer 2009) and unemployment was predicted to exceed 15%,(for 2009) I think we have come a long way from that ledge that so few remember we were clinging on to…

          • Freedom fighter

            you just said that MORE PEOPLE are working now. i show you the real number, now you make excuses! you can’t have it both ways. this country will implode in less than 3 years, i would bet my life on it, and it will be far, far worse than 2007. in 2007 it was the derivative bubble, and guess what? there is now MORE derivative trading than ever before, due to corrupt crony capitalism. Democratic crony capitalism. Dems are not the “we love the poor, we hate the evil rich” people you think they are. both parties are corrupt as hell, but the democrats are after communism and U.N. control.

          • You’re right..There are fewer people in the workforce every year since outsourcing and layoffs began..Gee, who was President back in 2000?? But, that aside, it is a statistical fact, but is that the only barometer to determine our destiny?
            If it is, then it began long before Obama got there, and it is guaranteed by their analysts for it to continue through its
            “40 year cycle”….I still don’t see the sky falling..So it declines for 15 straight years, but YOU and YOU ALONE are the expert on whether, and when, it will create a point of no return destruction
            of our economy?..Are really some kind of economic Nostradamus?
            2 or 3 more years???…..Well, I say 40 or 50 more years..That will be when Muslims are in the majority, and your petty job charts and graphs will be meaningless…(but that;s more than 2 or 3 years)…But you’re good at math, so you know that..
            I’m still laughing at the scare mongers who assured us that Obama was going to turn us into a Muslim country within his 3rd year, teaching it in public schools, and that Israel would be overrun by 2012.
            By the way, US aid to Israel under Bush,in 8 (EIGHT) years.
            $22billion….Under Obama it has been $20billon in SIX years.
            Does that still mean he wants Israel destroyed??

          • James Moe Morency

            Have you ever heard of the Cloward Piven strategy? If you care about what is really going on,Look it up and then tell me that that is not exactly what is going on.

          • I don’t think anyone wants Communism..even the Chinese are turning capitalist..The closest thing to pure Communism is actually practiced in Israeli kibbutzes….It’s true..
            Marx didn’t want to destroy mankind, he just wanted to prevent greed from destroying it, so he gave birth to a different kind of corruption and greed…Just another way to shift power to the greedy.

          • James Moe Morency

            That’s the thing about communism. They say it can’t work, never has. Truth is, it can work, but only on a small scale, because those few instances where it has succeeded it was because everyone pulled their weight, and when they didn’t, they were ejected. That’s the part that the hard left does not get. The utter resentment towards those with their hands out always demanding more while never lifting a finger. If this country does not get back to self reliance we are doomed.

          • Beeker D.

            Communists are turning FASCIST just like 0bama the DNC and their backing from George Soros and The Big Banks!

          • By the way, if you include the 10 million Mexicans,(who really are working) which they don’t, and figure in all those jobs lost to outsourcing it makes you think…Doesn’t it?

          • James Moe Morency

            It makes me think this is another reason Obama is such a disaster for this country, and the republicans are no better. That is what I’ve been telling you , we are having the country stolen from under us.

          • Beeker D.

            It makes me think about when my nephew was working as a Lawyer for the Clinton Administration overseeing the approval of American Jobs and Technology being outsourced to Communist China for rewards given to the DNC! That’s what I think of, BoBo!

          • Beeker D.

            DISTORTING and LYING!

          • Beeker D.

            LYING!

          • Beeker D.

            95% in not “ALL”, BoBo!

          • bob

            Bull…McCarthy was a drunk power hungry nut, who cost many casualties emotionally and financially for many years and died as a lonely loser like he deserved.
            He made everything up and even had MLK being a Communist…
            Was MLK a bad guy too? We’re the Russians supporting MLK or was he just a spy?

        • PAUL JOSEPH

          You and your leftis friends oppose Israel; you are the Nazis

          • Why would any believer in democracy oppose Israel?
            (only the politically cornered nuts would make that accusation) Most people, with common sense, oppose divisive name calling fear mongers like that national embarrassment, Joe McCarthy.. (a hard core Republican),,Do you know how many Republicans supported Hitler?? Henry Ford, George W. Bush’s daddy, Randolph Hearst, etc etc.,and Nazis are extreme RIGHT wing…
            I’m glad you earn enough wealth to blindly support the party that only cares about multi-millionaires, but some millionaires, like myself and many in Hollywood, believe that true patriots are willing to support their nation finally when in need, and for that we are called leftists and Socialists..That’s funny! Having a social conscience does not make you a Socialist..it makes you a decent human who cares about more than just themselves and their precious belongings…
            Taking people’s land and giving it away, taking over the press,
            closing religious schools, forcing service in the military….those are some of the mandates of Socialists..You’re not goofy enough to claim that Obama is a Socialist, are you???

          • Deepthink

            bobkats, You seem to be the goofy one!! You have been brainwashed to believe the opposite of TRUTH!!

          • You have added nothing to this discussion…No points, no facts..nothing..It’s as if you never were here…

          • Beeker D.

            You’re sstupid and blind enough to not see that 0bama isn’t a Puppet of Soros and the Big Banks!

          • bob

            I thought he was a Muslim and a Socialist..Get over your obsession with him.
            Gas prices are down, unemployment is 40% better, the deficit is lower, and people are buying cars and homes again….If you are at that age where
            Alzheimer’s has set in and you forget that he inherited the largest deficit ever, and what the state of our economy was, then I truly apologize. It’s cruel to
            try to get an Alzheimer’s victim to have to remember reality.
            People like you who just resort to name calling are
            the biggest part , and cause of our troubles.

    • disqus

      Anyone who believes in global warming is gullible. Leave the globe alone and GOD will take care of it!!!!

  • Janine Krogh

    I understand the problem with the underground shifting of plates, volcano, lava, mid Atlantic ridge and all the other gases, was moving along with time. But we sure have helped in moving it along at an increased rate. You can’t say we can’t do anything about it cause we can help slow it down and leave a better world for our grand children! Why do the grand parents today always care about”The Bottom Line.”

    • JimRed

      Our attempts to slow it down, or even to make it worse and destroy the Earth, would be as effective as (pardon the crude expression) a fart in a windstorm.

    • ravenwings

      Grow up!!! nothing man does changes the weather. If man could control the weather do you think Boston would be up to their arm pits in snow!! Or Death Valley up to 140°.. Man can only control the pollution and the US is doing a pretty good job of it!

    • Janine Krogh

      Don’t any of you people read ? Question everything ! It’s not just democrats or republicans who break the law. It’s about the money and power that comes with it! ! It just seems like everyone has a price. So sad but true.

  • MarcJ

    It is useful to remind
    ourselves of the 40-year old history of that UN-led conspiracy. It started in
    the 1970’s by the announcement of the coming “New Ice Age” scam (remedy = our
    unilateral disarmament; the big guru of Global warming hoax is Dr. Hansen who
    started his young career by that New Ice Age scam); when that panic petered out
    in the 1990’s (after Reagan destroyed the Soviet Union) it continued by the announcement of the man-made catastrophic
    “Global Warming” hoax (remedy = UN-sponsored world socialist government to
    “spread the wealth around” and “reduce” the world population from the existing
    6.5 billion down to the “sustainable” level of 1.5 billion); after 18
    years of considerable global cooling that panic was replaced by the “Climate
    Change” flimflam (so whatever happens with our climate – do “something”!) and
    now by the “Cap & Trade” power grab with the purpose of nationalizing our
    energy companies. Whatever that coterie of government-paid drones controlled by
    the far-left UN Panel “specialists” is cooking up by means of faked data,
    reverse graphs (another guru of that conspiracy Dr. Mann “confused” cause and effect
    in his “hockey stick” graphs), and erroneous calculations – the final aim is to
    empower a new UN-sponsored world socialist government authorized to “spread the
    wealth around” and so save the planet from a sure annihilation caused by “the
    rapacious and irresponsible criminal capitalists”.

    Those green and renewable
    energies – solar, wind, biofuels – are all energy balance-negative (they
    require more conventional energy to produce than they can generate),
    unreliable, extremely expensive, and environmentally destructive. Also, there
    is now a wealth of contrary literature debunking that gigantic conspiracy,
    written by investigative reporters and politicians Christopher Horner, Robert
    Carter, Senator Inhofe, Rupert Darwall, AW Montford, and David Archibald among
    other investigative journalists and politicians describing the lies, fakes,
    phony data, opposite conclusions, redacting by UN political hacks, reverse
    graphs, destruction of negative data, etc., that have exposed this
    far-left propaganda in painful detail. Also, the Oregon Petition (see Internet)
    signed by 31,487 independent US scientists (including 9,029 with PhD degrees),
    disputes the false “science” of the UN panel and its “scientists”. Several
    Eco-Nazis submitted false names and credentials in an attempt to compromise
    that effort started by the Nobel Prize in Physics Edward Teller (now deceased);
    it took us a lot of private money to clean up the list. To prevent further
    attempts at sabotage the Petition was closed out in late 1990’s. Another such
    document named The Manhattan Declaration lists some 720 scientists, including
    120 pure climatologists, and states the same. We note that the name of that
    gigantic scam was changed to “Climate Change” – after 18 years of global
    cooling. Former Vice-President Al “Jazeera” Gore, another low IQ bloviating
    gasbag, has ridden that “global warming” horse to a personal wealth estimated
    to reach a billion dollars, while being entertained by elegant and expensive
    hookers in luxury hotel suites.

    • Gerry Costa

      Good post Marc — but don’t forget the people who have jumped on the band wagon because of sheer greed ex: gore,obama,soros, clintons just to name a few.

      • ravenwings

        They aren’t on for sheer greed.. They want POWER

        • PAUL JOSEPH

          Flippin right they do

    • ravenwings

      I remember a lot of that… and I think you are correct. To take over control of the world.

    • PAUL JOSEPH

      Need to get the US out of the UN

  • MarcJ

    It is useful to remind
    ourselves of the 40-year old history of that UN-led conspiracy. It started in
    the 1970’s by the announcement of the coming “New Ice Age” scam (remedy = our
    unilateral disarmament; the big guru of Global warming hoax is Dr. Hansen who
    started his young career by that New Ice Age scam); when that panic petered out
    in the 1990’s (after Reagan destroyed the Soviet Union) it continued by the announcement of the man-made catastrophic
    “Global Warming” hoax (remedy = UN-sponsored world socialist government to
    “spread the wealth around” and “reduce” the world population from the existing
    6.5 billion down to the “sustainable” level of 1.5 billion); after 18
    years of considerable global cooling that panic was replaced by the “Climate
    Change” flimflam (so whatever happens with our climate – do “something”!) and
    now by the “Cap & Trade” power grab with the purpose of nationalizing our
    energy companies. Whatever that coterie of government-paid drones controlled by
    the far-left UN Panel “specialists” is cooking up by means of faked data,
    reverse graphs (another guru of that conspiracy Dr. Mann “confused” cause and effect
    in his “hockey stick” graphs), and erroneous calculations – the final aim is to
    empower a new UN-sponsored world socialist government authorized to “spread the
    wealth around” and so save the planet from a sure annihilation caused by “the
    rapacious and irresponsible criminal capitalists”.

    Those green and renewable
    energies – solar, wind, biofuels – are all energy balance-negative (they
    require more conventional energy to produce than they can generate),
    unreliable, extremely expensive, and environmentally destructive. Also, there
    is now a wealth of contrary literature debunking that gigantic conspiracy,
    written by investigative reporters and politicians Christopher Horner, Robert
    Carter, Senator Inhofe, Rupert Darwall, AW Montford, and David Archibald among
    other investigative journalists and politicians describing the lies, fakes,
    phony data, opposite conclusions, redacting by UN political hacks, reverse
    graphs, destruction of negative data, etc., that have exposed this
    far-left propaganda in painful detail. Also, the Oregon Petition (see Internet)
    signed by 31,487 independent US scientists (including 9,029 with PhD degrees),
    disputes the false “science” of the UN panel and its “scientists”. Several
    Eco-Nazis submitted false names and credentials in an attempt to compromise
    that effort started by the Nobel Prize in Physics Edward Teller (now deceased);
    it took us a lot of private money to clean up the list. To prevent further
    attempts at sabotage the Petition was closed out in late 1990’s. Another such
    document named The Manhattan Declaration lists some 720 scientists, including
    120 pure climatologists, and states the same. We note that the name of that
    gigantic scam was changed to “Climate Change” – after 18 years of global
    cooling. Former Vice-President Al “Jazeera” Gore, another low IQ bloviating
    gasbag, has ridden that “global warming” horse to a personal wealth estimated
    to reach a billion dollars, while being entertained by elegant and expensive
    hookers in luxury hotel suites.

    • Isn’t it so easy to tell all those victims of Sunamis, earthquakes, tornadoes and other unprecedented natural disasters that it’s only a blip in the scheme of things?
      More whales are washing up on the shores because they are choosing suicide as an alternative life style..We can’t eat tuna or swordfish because of mercury, and elephants have halved their all time low population they’re probably just over eating)..Go buy some tusks to celebrate!
      Nuclear radiation???…Naw…Never hurt them in the 1700’s did it?
      THAT’S BECAUSE THESE DESTRUCTIVE CHEMICALS AND TOXINS DID NOT EXIST BACK THEN!!…and you wonder why other counties hate America???
      It’s what we permit corporations are doing to the environment…
      Did you ever hear of the “cancer belt” in northern Texas, Arkansas and Mississippi,where the life expectancy is 56 years old and our refineries and plastic companies call home? See no evil, eh?? Well at least we know which is your favorite monkey.

  • John Wirts

    Ddenney1 I had a 1970 copy of a Reader’s Digest book, warning just that, that POLLUTION was shoving us into another Ice Age. I lived in Sacramento Ca and took occasional trips to Reno Nv. Coming back into the California Central Valley via IS 80, when I got to Newcastle Ca and started down the grade it looked like we were driving into a lake, the pollution was so bad! Now we have more cars and trucks, the sky is much less polluted. From Roseville we can see the Marysville Buttes. Now the Climate NAZIES are claimig manmade global climate change, and demanding control over our lives to “protect” us. Al gore the biggest phony flies in private jets to wealthy connected party conventions, has a huge property with an enormous mansion and several vehicles SUV’s and the like. He wants to tell us what we must do to save the planet, while he gets to violate all the rules with impunity!!!

    • ravenwings

      POWER GRAB

      • John Wirts

        AMEN, by greedy polluting entitled eliteists!

    • richardcancemi

      Rey not to confuse “climate” with “atmosphere” Atmospheric cleanliness is controllable; climate is not controllable

      • Why don’t they listen to your logic, Richard?

        • richardcancemi

          If they did we’d all be a lot better off. LOL.

        • ravenwings

          Because TRUE science is no longer taught in school. AND they have gotten real good at spin.

          • PAUL JOSEPH

            I was lied to in school by leftists over 50 years ago

    • PAUL JOSEPH

      George W. Bush’s ranch is more environmentaly friendly that that rat-bastard Al Gore’s house

  • Ronald L. Dula

    I would submit that one study out of tens of thousands does not break the case for what climate scientists call, not “Climate Change,” as this author claims, but Climate Disruption. Yes, Opel and Laepple are highly reputable scientists and are well thought of in the worldwide scientific community, but even they would take serious issue with the conclusions this nameless author draws from an obviously quick scan of their findings. In fact, Dr. Opel’s response when I spoke with him earlier today was, “That is ten thousand miles from being right!”

    As to the predictions in the 60’s and 70’s of a coming “ice age,” or period of glaciation, that was the best working hypothesis coming from the data and the tools scientists had at the time. In short, with the comparatively primitive predictive and analytical models and instruments we had, that was the best we could do.

    Climate, however, doesn’t just glide slowly from one phase to the next as we all thought it did for decades. We have learned in the last fifteen to twenty years that it lurches suddenly, responding to tipping points in the atmospheric and oceanic mix of factors. We have passed one such tipping point, and temperatures have been rising like never before for the last forty years. As to that Ice Age, some scientists think the next period of glaciation we were due in the natural cycle of things has been postponed by possibly as much as 40,000 years by the rapid and accelerating increases in worldwide temperatures.

    Global climate disruption is not some huge government conspiracy. It is real, it is happening all around you, and it is happening now. Look at the facts. Ask your neighbor that’s a weather hobbyist what his temperature logs show. Look at this winter. Yes, we’ve had a lot of snow in this hemisphere, but let’s look at the world as a whole. As of December, most of Europe and Russia had received little or no snow, and Moscow had not even dipped below the freezing point. It is warm on the opposite side of the planet, and that pushes the colder air over the Arctic Circle (overly simplistic, but fundamentally true).

    Stop looking for some politician to blame, and start looking at the facts – the Facts, The Facts, Always The Facts. As one respondent to this article said, and I do paraphrase, “Think of your grandchildren.” I fear for mine, as I do for my children. The onslaught of this change is moving that swiftly as most people sit on their easy chairs and debate whether or not it’s actually happening. Stop debating and start doing something.

    • ravenwings

      It snowed in Jerusalem yesterday.. Your analyze-est leaves a lot to be desired. .

    • Ronald..I’ll send $2,000 in to the candidate that YOU are backing for President.
      You are the only logical and rational person here..These Foxiphites are too far gone to be capable of honestly reviewing the facts…They rely on Rush for that.

      It’s just too much work to change ANYTHING..(some of them probably still secretly use spray cans)

      • PAUL JOSEPH

        I prefer Alex Jones

  • Dumanhieu Turboshok

    Yea! “global warming” is really real can’t you tell from all this cold and snow we are having here in NY. Damn I am freezing my a$$ off in this global warming heat wave.
    And , since there really isn’t any global warming they are changing the name to “climate change”. Gee! I thought the climate changed 4 times a year Spring, Summer, Fall and Winter. These moronic looney tune lunatic liberals are such a bunch of worm diarrhea it is pathetic.

    • ravenwings

      AFTER POWER. They want to control you!!

    • You speak well on behalf of the ignorant and un-informed.
      Rush Limbaugh calls it Global warming and mocks the warming part..
      He is the master of selfish disingenuity…IT IS CALLED GLOBAL CLIMATE DISRUPTION…More tornadoes…No? More earthquakes…no?
      More tsunamis…no? The “temperature” is just a part of colder colds..and hotter heat..It is NOT a declaration that it ios going to get warmer everywhere..That is the simpleton’s version.
      It involves the shifting of climate and as a side effect whales are dying, climate is changing and unless you still deny ozone layer depletion, then you just don’t get it..We didn’t have nukes, or chlorofluorocarbons in 1850, did we? It’s easier to play dumb that to try to protect our earth, isn’t it?

      • ravenwings

        I think you need to find a true school and learn some real science. Not these Elitist schools like “Harvard” . MAN has NO control over climate.

      • PAUL JOSEPH

        Horse manure. Need to ban sports cars they are worthless, driven recklessly by punks.

        • Rush Limbaugh is the mental version of car racing..appeals to the angry, frustrated and easily bored audience and is ultimately useless…

    • PAUL JOSEPH

      Send Al Gore, Barbara Boxer, and Bobkats to Boston, MA

  • ONLYJB1

    WHAT? That it’s all one big lie? All one must do is follow the MONEY and all the corruption will float to the top!

  • CharlesRAnderson

    The back-radiation claims that constitute the main theory of catastrophic man-made global warming due to CO2 emissions are simply bad physics. The physics is so bad that it massively violates the Law of Energy Conservation. Empirically, there has been no significant warming even in the highly fudged surface temperature data in the last 120 years. There has been no increase in temperature in the satellite data either. So both theoretically and empirically, the catastrophic man-made global warming hypothesis has failed. That is as decisive as it gets in science.

    • John Wirts

      Not only that, but if you reduce CO2 emissions, the plants will be unable to turn CO2 into gaseous oxygen and use the carbon for food! So if man reduces the CO2 levels as “ClmateScientoligist” Al Gore DEMANDS! Plants will die and there will be no photosynthesizing to use the CO2 as food with oxygen as the waste product.

      • CharlesRAnderson

        At the end of the Little Ice Age and the start of the Industrial Revolution, CO2 atmospheric concentrations were so low that plants were under stress. They had been evolutionarily designed for higher, more historically common, levels of CO2. The present CO2 levels are still not high by historical concentrations and plants would thrive on much higher levels of CO2. A growing human population would also benefit from faster growing and more plentiful food supplies. If increasing CO2 concentrations actually did cause global warming, the benefits of that warming would much exceed the costs of having to move a few city waterfronts. Unfortunately, increased atmospheric CO2 will not noticeably increase the global surface temperatures. The real disaster is a natural force causing a substantial cooling. The Earth has mostly been cooler than now in the last several million years and those cooler periods are a disaster for man and many plants and animals. The idea of catastrophic man-made global warming is wrong on the science and wrong on the impact on humans and most plants and animals.

        • John Wirts

          It’s not about “saving the planet” it is all about controlling the working class and taxing them to provide wasteful entitled eletes with proof that they are better then us and don’t have to obey their own laws. Make Al Gore get rid of his private planes and estates, and fly commercial airlines and live in middle class apartments, and watch how quickly his tune would change!

          • So when you’re done shooting the messenger, whatever will you do next?

          • PAUL JOSEPH

            Al Gore can take a hike or bike to Boston, MA

  • JimRed

    I’ve got dibs on the next thing they’re gonna call it…Climate Disruption ™!

    • ravenwings

      LOL

      • Glad you think that an atmosphere filled with more and more toxins is
        not harmful. and a joke…Go get out your old )banned) spray cans..
        After learning that, wouldn’t the next rational thought be “can there be anything else out there”?…For the lazy and selfish, that’s as far as a any sacrifice they care to make..Any other radiation, or toxic pollution is fine with ne, as long as it doesn’t effect my life..
        What lazy fools!

    • That’s what it IS called…We have destroyed the ozone layer (right?) and
      we are causing toxins to create more endangered species, more tornadoes, more sunamis, more extreme hots, and extreme colds and you just want to play your fiddle..Well, you know if you were alive in 1400 and still hung around you “ersth is flat” pals then we could understand your lack of knowledge..WE KNOW we depleted the ozone…or do you deny that too? The ozone and all other toxic issues effect the climate…Not the daily temperature..Do you need to see it in cartoon form?

      • JimRed

        You’ll apparently believe anything the loony left decides to call science. Continue to live in your dream world, but don’t use those eeevil substances gas, oil, coal or nuclear! Get yourself a windmill and solar collectors (oh…wait; they chop up or fry the birdies…) hydroelectric power (oh, no…interferes with the fishies). Like the far left whackos say, to save the planet, all humans must die. I tell them, YOU FIRST!

        • You mean like the science that told us that earth is round??
          For thousands of years all of your loony fringe religious fanatics fought to force us to believe otherwise. Earth isn’t flat??
          If you believe that 8 billion people can create and dispose of their waste and use up unlimited resources without being more respectful of future generations…then I guess you can still
          throw your cigarette butts on the ground and just keep crapping on a gift that God gave us..I believe that we should respect it, even if we’re not destroying it as fast as some claim,,You say
          “let them eat cake” eh?? I say, “is there a breaking point”?
          Your disregard for the earth and our future generations saddens me. Your blind eye does not surprise me. (it’s real easy that way)

      • PAUL JOSEPH

        Did you ever read about tje Tambora and Kracktoa eruptions?

  • Gerry Costa

    Scientists explaining the climate scheme away in a hurry. Guess gore,obam,soros,clintons and on and on will have to find another ponzi scheme for their greed because this one sure did get shot down.

  • calhar

    Its about time they they woke up to the fact that the weather patterns continually change and have since day one.

    • John Wirts

      That’s why actual Climatologists are not quoted in the “global Warming, Global Climate Change” studies. Most people were taught that Greenland was a misnomer created by the Vikings to mislead other European nations. Since today Greenland is cold and icy the historians ASS-U-ME-D that greenland was the same when the Vikings found it! Archaeological digs found several generations of Viking settlements! the first settlements raised chickens, cows, sheep, goats, pigs, and vegetables. Before they left all traces of these foods were gone, the later Vikings ate seal, walrus, and whale meat. So Greenland was once green, and now it is ICE WHERE IS THE WARMING???

    • richardcancemi

      The huckstering leaders know it but their followers do not. They have no beliefs. They ‘believe’ whatever the Party Lie-of-the-Day is.

      • John Wirts

        Only if it gives them more money and power!

    • Are you the one who keeps on insisting that ozone layer depletion was a liberal plot??..or have you reluctantly joined the rest of those in the know?

    • PAUL JOSEPH

      flippin right they do!

  • Adolf

    Hope you all fry to death. Happy about Southern deaths from climate change. Freeze your asses off, less right wing voters!

    • John Wirts

      Read climate history! Climate change, warming and cooling ALL HAPPENED WAY BEFORE THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION, OR THE INVENTION OF THE AUTOMOBILE!!! Read the series land of the cave bear, a caveman society where vast area were covered by glaciers! The climate changed without machines or automobiles, Europe became a semi-tropical continent, with no glaciers and ability to grow crops, at one time Germans drank wine as their climate was mild enough to grow grapes. As the climate cooled the Germans grew hops and grains and switched to beer and ale. All without machines, or automobiles! We had plenty of plagues, and sanitation problems, with all the Horses, mules, and dogs used as transportation and draft animals. The GREENIES want to ban machinery, trucks, trains ,busses, and automobiles to return to a simpler time! if they succeed they will also want to ban the use of horses and mules because they are UNSANITARY, Fireplaces because they POLLUTE! They will take us back to the stone age!

      • Oh John…Do you really believe that 8 billion people, after the invention of chemicals, pollutants and total consumption are to be compared to 100 million people who occupied the earth in 1600?
        How bout them atom bombs and radiation…Guess we just chose not to use them in the War of 1812, eh?? Are you serious??
        How are Nagasaki and Hiroshima doing?? How about all those islands we tested nukes on? Did they even know what the ozone was in 1700, when 67 was considered old age???

        • John Wirts

          Using your analogy the average life expectancy in America in the early 1900s was approximately 45 years, in the 1960s the average life expectancy in America had risen to 65. Now the current life expectancy is in the 90s, Pollution?? How about a single volcanic eruption emits more pollution than at least 10 years of man made pollution from all sources ! Meteor strikes also cause pollution, radiation and a pollution winter lasting for decades. !n the 1700 it was 38-45 not 67, get your “facts” straight!!!

    • I hate to agree with such a dramatic person named Adolf…
      But your anger is well focused…It’s not red and blue states, it’s grey and blue states..The less educated (fact) states..keep em dumb and on the plantation and they’ll keep believing that you know best…They are still getting over the ozone layer depletion discussion…The only thing worse than a moron is a lazy moron.

    • PAUL JOSEPH

      That is a discusting screen name; we beat the Kraut nazis once and will beat the modern nazis now

  • richardcancemi

    CO2 is not a pollutant. It is a necessity in the life cycle. The Leftist Sheeple never stop to think; they react or should I say regurgitate. The promoters are lying charlatans to whom the Truth or Integrity means nothing

    • John Wirts

      HEY the sheeple think we are dangerous because we think and research to find the truth! We don’t accept the snake oil salesman’s word

  • mickeymike2

    Face it, two things control the temperature of the earth. The internal engine (that gives the magma for volcanic eruptions) and radiation from the sun. Someday, the sun is going to die and the internal engine of the earth is going to cool. And that’ll be the end of the earth and most likely all living things on it. We had a mini ice age in the early 1800’s. They think it came from a reduced output from the sun and some volcanic eruptions here on earth. Let’s take care of the air we breath, but stop all this crap that’s making some people rich and other people’s expense. Guess that’s what happens when we get politicians involved in anything.

  • grannylake

    Weather patterns will always be controlled by the sun, other celestial bodies and Earth’s internal structuers.
    Using fossil fuels is what allow “man” to survive and thrive.
    Even if man’s use of fossil fuel has any effect on global temperatures for a small percentage of the population to cut down while the rest of the world continues using that fuel supply will be insignificant.

    There is a higher chance that natural or man made disasters will destroy “man’s” way of life than the use of fossil fuels.
    This logic escapes anyone that turned their thought process over to others and therefore have lost the ability to use their own common sense.

  • Gmansaid

    It serves nothing more than to establish yet another platform to tax us on. Brainchild of Maurice Strong, former Rhodes scholar, room mate of William Jefferson Clinton at Cambridge and leading Satanist on the planet, always screwing up anything they can.

  • Greyguy

    There are some rather prominent astronomers who have put forth the proposition that the sun is expanding and will at some point engulf the first three or four planets our solar system. Maybe the Libs can come up with a tax scheme for that one too after this scam fails. I think we have about a million years for planning purposes. I believe the man’s name is Carl Sagan.

  • Mike O’Mara

    It is good to have an honest study to confirm what I have always believed but I have to say it is really common sense. The other proof to consider is to look at the names of those who supported Global Warming and the remedy they offered. Carbon is a necessity not a threat but even if it was a threat sending money to Al Gore and his politician backers could do nothing to correct it. When politicians are involved run away. Run very fast.

  • Betty Davis

    I think you are idiots. Why don’t you want to admit that we are cooking the planet? The planet may have been warming up for 7000 years but the warming is excellerating and has been for the last 100 years. We have to admit there is a problem in order to deal with it. I don’t understand at all. What are you going to say when the planet is uninhabitable? I’m sorry? I’m sorry I didn’t listen to 99 percent of the scientists who were screaming “Global Warming”. I’m only glad I told this newsletter and the one from the Tea Party to leave me alone.

  • missy janie47

    I have a campaign button that says, “climate change, it’s the sun stupid!”
    Any other questions?
    People dumb enough to vote for BHO once, or worse,twice; believe what they’re told to believe. Neither truth nor logic enter the conversation.

  • Steven

    The mentioned is true. Global warming forced scientists to
    prove what the cause is? The science behind this is too vast and cannot be
    proven 100%. The nomenclature was changed to climate change. This would force
    those who denied global warming to explain the cause. (Turning the tables) This
    is a very interesting find! I am an environmentalist, but I always weigh both
    sides.

  • David

    Common core is not new….it started in the Sciences in 1999, a year before I retired from teaching Biology in New York State, when the “carbon cycle”, a basic Biological principle in the Biology curriculum, became an OPTIONAL topic in the curriculum.

    Why would they do this? Simple…..to allow the creation of the illusion that CO2 (carbon dioxide) is a harmful atmospheric gas produced by human activity that causes “man made global warming.” The reason this is illusion is because CO2 is a BUFFERED gas and is too DENSE to be a “green house” gas.

    The “Science” of CO2 is simple……it sinks to the surface and is absorbed by green land plants and phytoplankton in water and is converted to carbohydrate nutrients and releases oxygen in the biochemical process of photosynthesis. In addition, CO2 also forms carbonate ions in water that precipitates out in the deposition of limestone. Increase in CO2 levels increases biomass and limestone deposition maintaining a balanced CO2 level.

    The “politics” of the illusion of CO2 global warming is also simple AND insidious. Ironically..the American economy is NOT the greatest producer of man made CO2….China releases more than double the amount. (AND ONE volcano produces more than America and China combined!)

    Then why all the opposition to the American economy? Why cripple and destroy America’s economy with destructive “phony global warming regulation” costs? AGAIN..the answer is SIMPLE…….America is the LAST obstacle to the implementation of Novus Ordo Seclorum…the “10 State New Secular World Order” under the United Nations. (look up Agenda 21 AND Jade Helm 15)

    In addition to America’s economic destruction …its’ social, educational, political, and religious institutions must be changed in order for Novus Ordo Seclorum to succeed. Re-defining marriage assault on Christianity, drug legalization, assault on guns, assault on law enforcement and our military AND general assault on our Constitution are all devices used by the “elite power brokers” of the New World Order.

    What MOST people do not realize is that EVERYTHING that is happening in our country and world today is Biblical Prophecy. whether they believe in the Bible or not. Men like to believe they are in control of their own destiny but what they don’t know is that our struggle is NOT against our fellow man……..

    Ephesians 6:12

    “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.”

  • David

    AND I forgot to add…..racially charged social unrest!

  • Rudy McGillvray

    I think sir, that you are absolutely correct;you see iv’e read the same author as you, and I trust those men and women much more than any liberal,leftist, idiot who is trying and doing, to line his own pockets with our gold, to the tune of approx. $46,000/ day.

  • Robert

    CO2 follows climate change by 700 years. CO2 does Not cause climate change.

  • WiSe GuY

    15 trillion spent by the commie and not one (1) thing to show for it.

  • Bev Sansum

    We have been in a global-cooling period for the last 17 years! This is public knowledge. Look it up. For anyone to still be talking about global warming is either ignorant or dishonest. The fact is that the earth goes through warming and cooling cycles and will continue to do so. Right now, I’d be more frightened of a Little Ice Age.

  • Dave Smith

    Well this man does not say how much the world has warmed during any period whether it was warming fastest 7000 years ago or now that would tell the truth this blurb of his sounds like some disinformation sent out by an oil or coal company to help confuse the issue. Money buys a lot of bullshit

  • John

    Climate change? Yes, but the argument is it man that is doing this? That is the real question and it is clear that man has little to do with this. Here’s a video using REAL SCIENCE DATA to show how this farce is being promoted:

    Top 6 Climate Change Problems

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ew05sRDAcU

  • David McClellan

    I’ve known, from my own research, that “global warming” was a farce. “Climate change” is more accurate as it is the natural consequence of the sun’s effect on our planet.

    Not that we should relax restrictions on pollution. But build the Keystone pipeline for God’s sake. Stop harassing coal producers and build more nuclear reactors. We can handle the consequences of such actions and we will be free of oil dependence on the Middle East. Then detonate a few well-placed tactical nukes in Iraq, Iran, Syria and Afghanistan. That won’t affect climate change but will affect terrorism regimes.

  • Chris Rasmussen

    Dare I point out that author Michael Bastasch obviously hasn’t read/didn’t understand the Wegener paper, or equally egregious, is purposely misrepresenting/horrendously distorting its findings? Rather than buy into this denialist flat-earth conservative nonsense, READ the actual report:

    http://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo2349.epdf?referrer_access_token=gMV2oBf0HljU5s84Pht6dtRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0P41OAxYHxKA-ULes4Ifl3M4_Phtq9DCLtPElZ3nT5-XSJnZ0lzDFMorfvhSGz6UBZYl8aeV019b4a1_JhpkKObn6onIa6DPNxPBjRYeDWiOyFYLTrPDe7l820RYDBrmiNG9sYO1nG3u2qTSd6wEPDlAJVmOwSGUiEAHc8gb391qw%3D%3D&tracking_referrer=thinkprogress.org

  • nedford

    Oh Please! 7000 years ago was about five to seven thousand years after the natural peak of the interglacial. It had been cold for about 135,000 years, and was ending a 30,000 year warming trend provided by orbital cycles that have governed the ice ages for the last two million years or so. The thing that is unusual, compared to the other interglacial periods – in between the ice ages – is that this one has lasted longer than any of the others. There are several possible explanations, the most likely of which are that the ice ages are coming to an end, and that human agriculture was warming the Earth during the last 10,000 years or so, before we started using fossil fuels.

    The most important point is that since 14,000 years ago the global temperature has been fairly even, with rises and dips that have been observed, mostly in specific places (meaning that local factors were probably overcoming global ones). Humans didn’t start using fossil fuels until the 1700’s, and the science doesn’t show a variation that is not explained by orbital mechanics until the 1980’s. At that point the solar cycles and orbital cycles indicated a cooling trend, when we have seen warming.

    And the warming to date isn’t significant, except to prove the concept of greenhouse gases. The problem is that we are increasing emissions at such a rate that we on the verge of causing much larger changes – changes which cannot be reversed. That 30,000 year warming trend in the first paragraph? We will see the same level of warming in about a century, if we do not stop using fossil fuels as soon as we can. It’s the speed of the change, not the scale of it which is a threat to biological processes that we depend on for food and fresh air.

    The sickest thing about this is that the disinformation campaign which this website is part of is intended to prevent us from adopting money-saving energy efficiency and renewables. Renewables have become so cheap in the last five years that we now can get clean energy for less money than we can build a new fossil fuel or nuclear plant. It’s still a horserace for whether renewables are cheaper than using existing plants, and it depends on which part of the nation you are in. But efficiency is far cheaper, and abundantly available everywhere.

    Now ask yourself who is opposed to energy efficiency, when it costs a quarter or less as much as using energy, creates tens of thousands of jobs every year, and saves billions of dollars. You didn’t know that? Ask yourself why not! You can find out if you want to.

  • Canadave

    “What this reveals is the incredible push to get climate change under control is nothing more than a large Ponzi scheme designed to consolidate wealth into the hands of the rich”. It has more to do with political interests that benefit from controlling and frightening people into doing what they’re told.

  • Philip James

    Any reasonable person new at the start what they were saying was bull. The Sun is the only thing that can change the climate that much, or a massive volcanic eruption which puts out enough ash to block the Sun. The tree ring said it was bull and we are right where we are suppose to be the temperature range.

  • BAP362

    Yes I’ve noticed the term global warming disappeared and was replaced by “Cimate Change”. Now the liberals can blame any change in the weather in any season of any year wheather warmer, drier, wetter, or colder on man’s activities. Supported of course by their faulty or total dreamed up research numbers or lack of. Someone needs to put and end to this madness and set the record strait before we are led down the road to the loss of economic freedom or other freedoms. Led into a life of drudgery and simple existence from the loss of all our freedoms.

  • Tom Anderson

    I have been asking these green jackals how they explain the warming between 800-1000 ad, which allowed Vikings to live and grow crops in Greenland, but have never gotten an answer.

  • Bruce Weatherly

    If I turn the heater on in my house and set the thermostat to 70 degrees the heater will warm the house to 70 degrees regardless of the insulation in the floors, walls and ceiling. It doesn’t matter if the windows are single pane with aluminum frames or double or tripled pane with a wood frame. It also doesn’t matter if the temperature is 50 degrees above or 50 below zero the heater will come on and heat the house. What will happen though is the thermostat will reach 70 degrees much faster if you have good insulation and double or triple pane windows.

    What the conservatives don’t want you to know is CO2 acts as insulation and the sun,unlike your home heater, does not have a thermostat. So keep burning as much carbon fuels as you can so we can keep lining certain peoples pockets and, at the same time, get this over with as soon as possible.