This Well-Known Pastor Says Not To Listen To The Bible?

February 22nd, 2015 | by Brian O
This Well-Known Pastor Says Not To Listen To The Bible?
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Rob Bell is the pastor of Mars Hill Bible Church in Michigan and has a history of saying some pretty outrageous things about the Bible. He isn’t new to controversy, but his most recent remarks on the Valentine’s Day version of Oprah’s Show about how the church should accept same-sex marriage may have taken the cake:

“I think the culture is already there and the church will continue to be even more irrelevant when it quotes letters from 2,000 years ago as their best defense, when you have in front of you flesh-and-blood people who are your  brothers and sisters, and aunts and uncles, and co-workers and neighbors, and they love each other and just want to go through life with someone.

“Loneliness is not good for the world. Whoever you are, gay or straight, it is totally normal, natural and healthy to want someone to go through life with. It’s central to our humanity. We want someone to go on the journey with.”

We don’t know if Mr. Bell is trying to stir up controversy to sell more books, or if he really believes what he says. While loneliness among people is on the rise in our more isolated, modern society; the Bible clearly says that homosexual behavior is a sin. The Bible is the book that almost all Christian churches rely on for worship and teaching.

If a so-called “church” or its leaders don’t believe what the Bible says, then for all intents and purposes they have a cult. That’s what it looks like Rob Bell has started or is trying to start.

What’s your take on this controversial statement? Let us know in the comments section below.

  • Matthew V. Brown

    As a Christian and a seminary graduate, I hardly know what to say of this “pastor”. His non-Biblical stance certainly makes it clear that whatever he is, he is not Christian in any orthodox sense of the word.

    • ipsd48

      It’s not the first time a charlatan has used the bible for the basis of their cult.
      Jim Jones ring a bell?

      • Joseph Toth

        The really sad part is that he has followers. People who just wanted their way , the easy way, the politically correct way.

        • Barrustio

          Exactly …life is supposed to be a cake walk with no moral restraints

          • James Johnson

            If you can’t tell rightfrom wrong on your own then maybe you should not be allowed in public.

          • Barrustio

            Absolutely

        • preacher bill

          Some one responding has called this so called preacher, a christian brother, no way would I call him a brother, Paul writing to the Galatians, if anyone preaches any other gospel , let him be accursed , other word, be condemned to hell

          • ort

            Amen. He is no brother of mine.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Nor of mine!! He is a heretic and nothing less.

          • ort

            Absolutely!

          • Sherry

            Whats really sad is, that he KNOWS it….Going along with the world to make “christianity” palatable for the world! True Christian principles are from a Perfect God that does NOT change! SAD….

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Don’t waste your time on trying to reason any at all with James Johnson. He’s an atheist of the worst sort. I have shaken the dust off my feet as a testimony against him.

          • Nogods

            Jesus was a heretic.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Some say.

          • James Johnson

            So says Paul. What did Jesus say?

          • charlie

            paul says to turn him over the the devil for the destruction of his flesh. quite the opposite of what the hireling pastors say

          • papawfred

            He who is without sin, cast the first stone….

          • Christopher Allen

            and, you should really think about what you just said! You are the one “casting the stones”!

          • papawfred

            I do not condone this mans preaching his mis guided theology. It does sound like he is occult driven . There is not one word in his message that is the truth. God the son has given us free will. If he chooses to go down the road of destruction that’s his unwise choice. However I will pray for him and his followers that they will see the light or refrain from doing what he is doing. I say again i don’t hate the man i hate the evil in his soul. Matthew 5:43-44 You have heard it said to love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But i say to you love your enemy and pray for the ones who persecute you so you will be called his sons in heaven….. We are all brothers and sisters. Some are in Christ some are not. Pray for the ones who are not. This is my Christian conviction Yours is different and i respect that. Just asking you respect mine. The throwing stone thing was not directed to you or anyone else personally . Just quoting what Jesus said concerning sin. For we all have sinned…. Have a good day.

          • Cheryl

            and again…I will just keep repeating this reply for you to read…I see that you claim to be an EX-Christian. Why do you even care to
            pretend that you believe in the Bible? Stop lying to people with your
            unkind words.

          • Christopher Allen

            You Cheryl, are one to be talking! I am sure he means that he doesn’t want to be associated with how “christians” act today; neither do i! We are true Christians in our hearts, whether you believe it or not! As far as we are concerned, your words mean nothing! The words we believe are GOD’s not your’s, the words that JESUS puts in our hearts, and they are way more pure than your’s!
            What, way too many can’t accept is that the Bible was written by man, with man’s interpretation of GOD’s words, and actions! And, even the Bible tells us to discern, ie; to read between the lines, and, if you truly let GOD inspire you, instead of “religion”, then you will see the truth; and it is wonderful!

          • savannarose55

            finally I can see your doctrine. you make it up as you go along. the bible is the word of God. no twisting or turning of anything going on here. true Christians live and believe in the words that God had his true believers put in writing for us to follow. when you make things in your mind that you believe are from God your the one that needs to get back into the bible and get right with the Lord and quit judging us. we are the body of Christ, and that is what the church is made up from, no building needed. my religion is Christian. and my prayers are for you to stop judging others, in Jesus most precious name, amen.

          • Cheryl

            Please understand me. You have made several remarks above that I need to address. The first: “We are true Christians in our hearts, whether you believe it or not!” I never said YOU weren’t a Christian. Until you state otherwise, I believe you are speaking the truth when you say you are a Christian. I DID however, say that James Johnson ISN’T a Christian, because in his profile, he specifically says he is an EX-Christian. I never would never say someone isn’t a Christian unless THEY said it themselves. Only God can judge a person’s true beliefs towards God, unless they openly say otherwise. James continues to spread his personal nastiness towards a lot of people on this board. That is why I replied to him when he was spewing his out and out mean, nasty and rude comments to others. (How is THAT kind and loving??) It is also the reason that I jumped in at you when you kept butting into my comments to others that weren’t unkind as far as I am aware. As for my words meaning nothing, I am not really concerned whether MY words mean anything to you or to James. I even agree with you that MY own words are way LESS pure than God’s. Of course they are, I am a sinner, saved purely by the grace that God extends me, and I assure you, from nothing I have done or not done. I WANT you to believe ALL of what GOD says in His word, and also what JESUS says. What I am concerned about is that I believe the the canon of books that we call the Bible wasn’t (as you have said) “written by man, with man’s interpretation of GOD’s words, and actions”. I believe that God inspired the authors of the Bible, through the power of His Holy Spirit. We are called to “test everything” and to “hold onto what is good”. I don’t need religion. At least not how most of the churches I see and hear that are only “tickling” the ears of people, saying what they think people want to hear to get the crowds into the buildings. I am letting God inspire and teach me, more and more each day. I do see the TRUTH, He is in the person of Jesus and He truly is wonderful.

          • Sheri

            John Chapter 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

          • James Johnson

            And what did these religious folks do? They walked away embarrassed for even bringing it up.

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          • Redfox007

            James, Religios Folks are NOT Christians.

            And, who was Jesus speaking to? The Pharrisees, and Scribes, and
            heathen. He was not speaking to the Christians, as they were not who
            brought her to tempt Him.

            Here is what He says to the Followers of God:

            Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely
            die;
            and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from
            his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
            iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

            Ezekiel 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not
            from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

            Ezekiel 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit
            iniquity,
            and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast
            not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness
            which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require
            at thine hand.

            Ezekiel 3:21 Nevertheless if thou warn the
            righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall
            surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

            So you see, God says we are to warn them, and if we do not tell them they are in the wrong, we will carry their sin.

          • James Johnson

            So we are called to be dicks? We should interfere with others lives? I would rather live by love alone. Faith, Hope, and Love. And love the strongest of the three. Love does not condemn it does not convert. Love accept us for who we are.

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          • Christopher Allen

            You are so right! The only remaining commandment; but some are too blinded by their self righteousness to see!

          • Peatro Giorgio

            Sorry My friend : But both you and James Johnson have errored .Yes we live under the new Covenant. Christ Taught us; This we are to Love thy one any only God from our Hearts mind and spirit And to love thy neighbor as we would love thy self, However he also proclaimed that the old mosaic Laws the 613 commandments were not dead; But also Good for Learning, Discerning and Teaching. Now how do you suppose you are in harmony of scripture .You both are not. And as Both brother and sister of Christ. We with love in our hearts and actions are to bring to those who have strayed from the path of Righteousness in pointing out how you’ve strayed. How you receive the word of God is then left up to you. And God the ultimate Judge shall then Judge you. Many I repeat many are deceivers many will preach what tickles the ears of their congregations. Therefor let not the foolish parish because the righteous failed to correct,That to leads to eternal death. I humbly beseech you to turn away from false prophets, Open your ears and listen with your hearts to the very word of God Found in scripture. I as a Brother in Christ a servant of Christ understand the struggles many have. With not knowing right from wrong and how easily one may be mislead, It certainly becomes less likely when ones seeks the truth in scripture an not from another.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            If you see being a true Christian and warning others of sins that will surely damn their souls to hell as being a “dick” then your heart isn’t right in the first place. Love does convert. True love cares enough to tell people like you their souls are in peril so that hopefully they wake up to that reality and change their hearts and lives accordingly to avoid something so horrible none of us can adequately describe it.

          • James Johnson

            Love is stronger than hate.

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          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Love is stronger than hate. Love IS NOT LETTING SOMEONE GO HEAD-LONG OFF A CLIFF (FIGURATIVELY) WITHOUT TRYING TO WARN THEM AND STOP THEM. IF YOU CAN’T UNDERSTAND THAT LOVE IS WHAT MOTIVATES A CHRISTIAN TO POINT OUT THE BIBLE’S CONDEMNATION OF THEIR SINS AND THE PUNISHMENT THAT IS SURE TO RESULT THEREFROM, THEN YOU HAVE NO CLUE AS TO WHAT TRUE LOVE REALLY IS.

            Do you deny it is an act of love when one spanks a young toddler to keep him or her from putting some small flat metal object into an electrical outlet or to keep them from touching a hot stove? Sometimes love motivates us to do and say things that aren’t pleasant. Love is not a blind take anything and everyone as they are.

          • James Johnson

            But who placed that cliff in their way? Many churches have spent a lot of tithing’s on the attempt to turn gay and lesbian people around, as if they were broken. God made them who they are, who are you to question god? All that time and money and effort for 1% of gays and lesbians who go through those programs to be considered healed from their affliction. And even that 1% has fallen back to the way they were before. It is a complete utter arrogant waste of time effort and money that could be best used to address the needs of the needy and lowly in our society who do not have a voice to be represented. The only voice they have to represent them is Christ. I used to be a fundamentalist Christian and even went so far as to vote republican. During my “dark ages” I was an idiot. I denigrated and bashed with the best of them. Then I by chance met a gay person and a lesbian, did not know it at first but it comes out after awhile as these things do, and I was able to put names to faces. That made all the difference. When my group of Christian buddies by chance ran into these new friends of mine they treated them like garbage. I was taken aback for a second and then realized that I was seeing preaching love but not walking in it. I chose at that time to side with my friends who were being bashed and discriminated against and being persecuted by my Christian buddies who at that moment revealed their true identities. They were full of hate and they let my new friends have full on. My wife and I were stunned. And my new friends? They said thanks for nothing as I stood by and did not say anything. It was the most horrible feeling in the world to see what I was blind to for so long. These Christians were monsters in the guise of love. This is one of the many reasons why I left the church and did not pursue the ministry.

          • ort

            “For this reason a MAN will leave his father and mother and cleave to his WIFE and they shall become one flesh.”
            God most certainly didn’t make anyone gay. It’s a sin, and a choice.

          • James Johnson

            Who are you to question why God allowed folks to be different than you.

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          • ort

            Love without Truth=hell. It’s not right to love a person right into hell. They need to hear the Truth of the Word of God or else love means nothing.

          • James Johnson

            Yeah we should all be assholes. That way we are assured a place in heaven. What a first class heel you are. What you are describing is hell. How can you seriously stand there and tell me and anyone else that you are not capable of loving someone for who they are,  that you would change them to suit your needs. You sicken me with your self righteousness.

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          • ort

            You sicken me with your foul mouth, hypocrisy, and self righteousness. Plus, your straw man building and twisting of what is being said are signs of a first class weasel.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Amen!! That’s exactly what the Holy Scriptures say.

          • Old School

            And in John 8:11 He told her to “go and sin no more” the whole statement is needed NOT just what you want to use.

          • Christopher Allen

            And that applies to you also!

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            That right there’s the problem. People treat the Bible like a buffet. They take only what fits their lives and beliefs and discard the rest. True Christianity is NOT Burger King where you have it your own way.

          • Rhonda Hunt

            Sheri I hate to tell you but John 8:1-11 in the text of the woman caught in adultery is nonexistent in the Peshitta and does not appear in the four earliest Greek manuscripts of John,it obviously was inserted by someone who had an agenda,because it reflects that their is no consequence for sexual sin or adultry,which is simply not true,Yeshua has made no sacrifice for willful sin Hebrews 10:26,sin is the transgression of the law according to 1 John 3:4,Messiah came to take away our sin,1 John 3:5,and to give us a new heart and enable us to stop transgressing his statutes,and to keep his judgments,and do them Ezekiel 36:26-27,this is what took place on Pentecost when the Spirit fail on believers,Yeshua by his grace(enabling power)causes us to not sin,and make us acceptable to Yahweh the Father,this is where Christianity has missed it big time,they believe that Yahweh will forgive us over and over regardless of our actions,but the word of God teaches no such doctrine.—–Jim Hunt

          • Matthew V. Brown

            “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” Sound familiar?

          • Christopher Allen

            And, you, for sure, should pay great attention to that!

          • Redfox007

            Jesus is th eWord. That means What Paul said in th eBible, is what Jesus told him to say. Jesus told the Pharrisees they were Liars, and Children of Satan. That show He says the same thing as Paul We do not have to love them as this world views love. There is three different “Loves” in the New Testament.

            The God Love, or Agapy, is love of th eperson’s Soul, not their lifestyle. One is to love the soul of the sinner, and try to get them saved, but not live a style of life which goes along with them.

          • Dot

            RIGHT YOU ARE, and your words are based on Scripture!!

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            AMEN!!

            Joh 16:12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
            Joh 16:13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
            Joh 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
            Joh 16:15 All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

          • James Johnson

            When you first met your wife did you think to yourself hmm mm maybe I could change her into someone I could love? No you didn’t. You loved her the way she was. That’s what love is. Loving someone else for who they are. What you Christians do is try to change people to fit your own views. I know I was a fundamentalist. I stopped going to church and I found I was a better person for it. Now I am more relaxed and enjoy life a bit more. Things don’t bother me as much anymore. I can see positive things instead of just the negative. As a Christian all I could see was negative.

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          • Wayne Peterkin

            You may think you’re a better person for it but I wonder when you are kneeling at God’s Throne as you ultimately will whether God will agree with you. Somehow I doubt it, but it’s your choice.

          • James Johnson

            If God is real I will be very eager to ask him all of the questions that you Christians have failed at. I have no fear.

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          • Stan Hoffman

            james Johnston, if you actually did go to church, I doubt you ever were a Christian, but rather a tare sitting among the wheat and the angels sifted you out.

          • ort

            Amen and Amen.

          • James Johnson

            Yeah I was the guy changing an old ladies flat tire, while Christians in my town drove right on by because out of fear they dared not reach out. Yeah your right I was the guy that preached about love and tolerance amidst all the hate that my fellow Christians were spouting from the pulpit. Yeah your right I was the guy that was feeding the homeless families in Atlanta when my church was trying to spend all the money on sending one teenager to Guatemala. Yeah your right I did stand out like a sore thumb. If anything it was demons that filtered me out and kept the stupid ones to manipulate with their thought control. I was a free thinker and therefore saw through the charade. The church in America is run by the devil if he is real why would he announce it. How can I tell? Hate and intolerance and manipulation of this countries constitution, and seeking to pass laws to deny thr basic rights to those who are different than they are. No atheist threatens the existence of church. No gay marriage threatens a straight marriage. You all need to get over yourselves and if you feel like judging than start with yourselves.

          • ort

            …….said the Pharisee using the trumpet to get people’s attention to how “righteous” he feels he is……….

          • Christopher Allen

            Do you mean, like you?

          • ort

            Like me how? Write down exactly what I said when I was supposedly tooting my own horn.

          • signdoc

            James Johnson, In my 61 years I have gave as I can, bought for those who couldn’t afford, given cash to needy, helped in times of devastation not ever asking for anything. Funny how You Judge. The Bible says Judge and He Shall be Judged. It also says, He who is without Sin cast the First Stone. God leads I follow. I don’t go to a ‘Church’. Jesus said: Where 2 or more are gathered in My Name, There Shall I be Also. He also said when ask by the Pharisees about same sex marriage- Have Yet not read? Marriage is between a Man and a Woman, They didn’t like that answer, so The Gay Pharisees helped Him to be Crucified.

          • Ken says

            Doc – James is not judging. Everything he covered is simple observation of Church activities

          • signdoc

            Ken you and He are far off base. Read the book

          • Ken says

            You are right – the church is made up of the members that support it. The building only houses the tax exempt business. Read it, I have – many times – some chapters even more – It is an eye opener unless you choose and pick words and sentences to construct your agenda. You could use a dictionary for that.

          • signdoc

            Ken I’ve read it more than You think, I’ve studied it with Scholars that Million around the World have Listened to for Years. I am not picking what I choose. Jesus went into the Temple and destroyed what the money Changers and so were doing. I have never tried to twist the Word of God. Only Those who want to do things against what the Word of God and His Son Jesus Christ have said are the Ones Perverting those Words. Keep blowing Smoke

          • Ken says

            Hi Doc – I’ve seen a number of your posts and we seem to agree on a number of things BUT in this issue of church involvement in government – you are avoiding discussion.of the issue. You enjoy the Constitutional Right to enjoy your religion just as all Citizens do, The Constitution is explicit on the separation of church and State. No stutter or stammer – separation. There is no place in the Constitution that permits you or your church to delegate who gets Rights guranteed by the Constitution . . That type of action is unPartiotic and unConstitutional. Within your Church you may choose to control a citizens Civil Rights, Womans Rights, Religious Choices, Gay Rights, Gun Rights etc. Your Church members may choose to allow the control or they can walk out. When you take the Church agenda into the public sector you are interfering with other Citizens Rights

            Ironic that you mentioned the money grubbers in the temple – that was the final blow with the church we belonged to. Oh – I don’t smoke so trust me – I’m not blowing smoke.

          • signdoc

            Funny, I don’t try to regulate Peoples Rights Ken. I just state what Gods word says. Either You accept it or You Don’t. That’s Your Choice. Because People change, Gods word doesn’t. Take it or leave it, You will pay the Price not I. It does say You can ask forgiveness on Your last Breath and be saved. That my Friend is between You and God.

          • Ken says

            That’s great – just keep it in your Church.

          • signdoc

            Grow up Ken, be a Man as God intended

          • Ken says

            Hey Doc – I did and I am a hell of a lot more man than you will ever be. It makes no difference how “learned” you and your fellow study group are you still can’t comprehend what you read. The US Constitution is very clear about separation of religion/church and government – it was one of the reasons King Charles and the Church of England were thrown out. As much as you disagree – the Rights that you enjoy are the same Rights every Citizen of the USA is entitled to. That includes Womans Rights – Civil Rights – Gay Rights – Religious Rights and Gun Rights etc etc.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Ken, I doubt that the “Founding Fathers” had “Gay Rights” in mind. or perhaps you and I have read VERY different accounts of American History.

          • Ken says

            You must be an “ancient one” to know what the Founding Fathers were thinking 250 years ago – but they put it in writing so you don’t have to guess.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            I’m glad you think I can read. I would say we are making progress.

          • signdoc

            And not any ‘Church’ I’ve been involved with. But then the ‘Church’ is the People not a Building.. The Body is the Temple.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Well, then I would suggest he needs glasses.

          • Ken says

            No Matt – $hit happens and you are just part of it.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Well as the “church lady’ says, “Isn’t that special!”

          • Christopher Allen

            You are as full of hypocritical crap, as most of the so called “christians” on here! There isn’t a word about “same sex marriage”! Idiot!

          • signdoc

            It does Christopher, read it and You’ll find it. But then You won’t. Know why?. You don’t want to read the Truth.

          • Dot

            AMEN!!!

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Marriage between man and woman was instituted in the Garden of Eden.

            Gen 2:20 And the man gave names to all cattle, and to the birds of the heavens, and to every beast of the field; but for man there was not found a help meet for him.
            Gen 2:21 And Jehovah God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof:
            Gen 2:22 and the rib, which Jehovah God had taken from the man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
            Gen 2:23 And the man said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
            Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

            Christ quoted this in Mt. 19:4-6

            Mat 19:4 And he answered and said, Have ye not read, that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female,
            Mat 19:5 and said, For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh?
            Mat 19:6 So that they are no more two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

            Let’s look at some more scripture:

            Lev 20:13 And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

            Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile passions: for their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature:
            Rom 1:27 and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working unseemliness, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was due.

            Rom 1:28 And even as they refused to have God in their knowledge, God gave them up unto a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
            Rom 1:29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
            Rom 1:30 backbiters, hateful to God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
            Rom 1:31 without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, unmerciful:
            Rom 1:32 who, knowing the ordinance of God, that they that practise such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but also consent with them that practise them.

            There is enough scripture to clearly refute your false claim that the Bible is silent on the idea of homosexual marriages. The behavior itself is an abomination to God and those who engage in such depraved activities are worthy of death.

            Besides all that. God instituted marriage between a man and a woman. That no other form of marriage is mentioned in scripture is a divine prohibition against anything other than one man and one woman joined in matrimony for life except in cases of adultery.

            Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery.

          • Dot

            If Christopher doesn’t believe the Holy Word of God, and you surely quoted him the TRUTH of God’s Word, then he simply wants to believe the LIES OF SATAN. May God have mercy on his soul.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Satan’s emissaries can transform themselves to appear as angels of light. He is an agent of Satan pure and simple.

          • signdoc

            Amen Dot. But God will forgive even on Your Last Breath. If You so mean it with all Your Heart.

          • Dot

            Praying for your salvation, Christopher Allen.

          • Brooke

            I’m a Christian but I was also thinking, they asked Jesus about same-sex marriage? And “gay” Pharisees? C’mon! They were asking Jesus about divorce! Don’t try to make Christ say something he has not, signdoc.

          • signdoc

            It does and The Pharisees ask and Jesus answered Christopher. Read the Book it won’t bite

          • Peatro Giorgio

            O there certainly is.! Open the bible to the very Beginning . In the Beginning , God created the heavens and the earth, The earth was a formless wasteland,Geneses. Now continue to read. Every word spoken is there to be revealed. If that is, you have the heart and Mind to discern. However your heart is looking for what you desire to see. Not that which is the actual word of God.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Joh 7:24 Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

            The scripture has judged you, sir. Here is it’s pronouncement:

            Heb 10:24 And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,
            Heb 10:25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.
            Heb 10:26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
            Heb 10:27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.
            Heb 10:28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses.
            Heb 10:29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?
            Heb 10:30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.”
            Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

          • signdoc

            Again He is Judging others. It says Judge and Ye shall be Judged

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Actually, it says “Judge not, lest ye be judged.”

          • signdoc

            And it does not say Vengeance is mine I will repay, It says Vengeance is Mine saith the Lord.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.” (English Standard Version)

            30 For we know him that said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. (1901 American Standard Version-The most accurate translation of the New Testament according to any reputable Bible scholar.)

            30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. (Authorized or King James Version)

            30 For we know him that said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. (English Revised Version 1881-basis of 1901 American Standard Version)

            30 for we have known Him who is saying, `Vengeance is Mine, I will recompense, saith the Lord;’ and again, `The Lord shall judge His people;’ –(Young’s Literal Translation-1862, 1898 also, he compiled Young’s Analytical Concordance of the Bible-an invaluable word study tool)

            Heb 10:30 For we know who it is that has said, “VENGEANCE BELONGS TO ME: I WILL PAY BACK;” and again, “THE LORD WILL BE HIS PEOPLE’S JUDGE.” (Weymouth’s New Testament)

            Here it is in the Greek interlinear format with Strong’s numbers:

            Heb 10:30 οιδαμενG1492 [G5758] γαρG1063 FOR WE KNOW τονG3588 HIM WHO ειπονταG2036 [G5631] SAID, εμοιG1698 TO ME εκδικησιςG1557 VENGEANCE ” BELONGS “; εγωG1473 I ανταποδωσωG467 [G5692] WILL RECOMPENSE, λεγειG3004 [G5719] SAYS “THE” κυριοςG2962 LORD : καιG2532 AND παλινG3825 AGAIN, “THE” κυριοςG2962 LORD κρινειG2919 [G5692] [G5719] WILL JUDGE τονG3588 λαονG2992 αυτουG846 HIS PEOPLE.

            Yes, I Will recompense or repay IS PART OF THAT VERSE.

          • signdoc

            Funny how You use the English version instead of what My Friend and Scholar Dr. Billy Graham would use. Quoting from different writings is always misleading. I am as God intended and Believe in the of Old. Translation from one to another, words get Twisted. I’ll believe what I’ve studied and You in what You believe. God be with You. The Book also says don’t argue Gods word with Non Belivers or Fools. Therefore I won’t.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            The only FOOL is one that does not believe in the God of the Bible and Billy Graham is a false teacher as well.

          • signdoc

            As said I Know the God of the Bible along with His Son Jesus Christ Our Saviou, but Evidently You Think You do. Only God knows which is the Fool. I rest my case. It says to Teach the word and to not argue with Fools, therefore take care and God be with You I Pray.

          • James Johnson

            Read your comments. The only fool is one that does not believe in the imaginary friend found in an irrelevant contradictory old book. Anyone who teaches you that all you have to do to live forever is talk to this imaginary friend and join groups of people that also have this same imaginary friend is a lying teacher.
            And this old irrelevant contradictory book says occasionally states common sense amidst it’s mostly madness contrived statements and thusly should be taken seriously because it says so.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            (1) One day, my smart-mouthed, arrogant friend, you will find out that God is NOT imaginary. You will bow before him and confess Jesus Christ to His glory just before being consigned to hell for all eternity. You are so proud and wise in your own eyes, well let me share a little fact with you. Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before the fall. Be a smug, arrogant, smart-mouth all you want now, but one day you will rue the day you EVER uttered such blasphemy. If you have two good brain cells to rub together, you’ll beg God’s forgiveness for ever doubting or denying him. Arrogant, smug, self-righteous individuals like yourself are to blame for the demise of this country. I pity you. You think you’re so smart, but you have no idea what a FOOL you are to deny God.

            (2) All you’re doing is parroting the same baseless accusations against the Bible that it has withstood since evil men like yourself started trying to disprove it. There is not ONE legitimate contradiction found in all the Bible. True science and archaeology have proven the veracity of the Bible time and time again. No one has ever or will ever find one legitimate fault with the Bible. Men far smarter than you or I have tried and failed miserably.

          • James Johnson

            And let me guess my verbally abusive friend that you are telling me all this because you love me, right? And that god in all his splendiferous love for me gives me an option, right? And that you are spreading the good news of the kingdom, right? The good news is not judgment. The good news is not condemning people to hell my friend. You are the misguided and the foolish. But god has given you a way out. Have fun in heaven with the serial killers who received Jesus. I’ll be in hell with Jesus playing cards, for his dad (god) hates men with long hair.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            I am telling you this in a brash way in hopes you’ll open your eyes and see the folly of your ways. I get so sick of people bashing the Bible because it IS God’s book and I get so tired of being mocked for my Christianity. I want you to get a little dose of your own medicine. It seems you could use it because you hurled the sarcasm first and I’m just giving you a little dose of what you dished out. We Christians are sick and tired….past sick and tired of having OUR rights trampled by unbelievers like you. I am so tired of it all. I would love for you to believe in God and live the Christian life because trust me..you don’t want any part of hell nor do I.

            Prove me wrong and give God and HIS Word the reverence it deserves.

            If we all truly lived by God’s word, we’d have no need for prisons, police, etc. because each would esteem his neighbor above himself. The one book that has the answer to every last one of our world’s problems and you have the gall to mock it. How dare you.

          • James Johnson

            BS butt hurt much? For your information, ALL others are sick and damned tired of Christians stepping all over the rights of others. Stop your crying about your being persecuted. You live in a country that considers itself 80 percent Christian. Waaa Waa! You make me sick with your hypocrisy.

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          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            You are such a hateful smart-alec. You and the devil deserve each other. We Christians will be the ultimate victors says the BIBLE, so enjoy this life, Jack!! It’s all you got. The next life will be unbearable for you, so laugh now because you’ll be crying later. 🙂

          • James Johnson

            Disdain for your fellow man isn’t a Christian value. So be careful you don’t wind up in with Ted Bundy in your heaven. US atheists will be hanging out with Jesus in hell.

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          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            It’s disdain for your sorry, sarcastic, hateful, smug attitude. It’s the disgusting attitude and behavior and NOT the person. I hate the sin you so flagrantly flaunt with your every hateful word. No matter how mocking or hatefully you reply, you will NOT discourage me in my faith ONE IOTA, so to try is wasting your breath.

            The sad part is that you are too arrogant and stupid to recognize that the very one you deny took on the death penalty we all deserved. I am human. We all sin and falls short of God’s grace. There’s not a one of us that “deserves” salvation, but when we obey God’s will, His grace and mercy and love moves him to give it to us, but we MUST obey HIM faithfully. I have nothing but disdain for your sinful attitude. You I don’t hate, but your actions and words I deplore to the depths of my soul. By your arrogant denial of Him, you have willingly placed yourself beyond his grace and mercy.

          • James Johnson

            Guess what brother? He didn’t die on that cross. He lives.  But he only lives in the heart of those who are filled with love. Are you? No you are not. You just said so. Feel the sting of your words? They can’t be from a God of love. They are from a heart filled with disdain and hatred. Peace be with you.

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          • Karen

            Yes, He died on the cross, as an atonement for OUR SINS! BUT, on the third day, rose again proving that HE indeed was Christ, son of GOD! Get your facts straight! We are commissioned to love one another, NOT the sin that we chose to commit! You are too much into yourself realize that these people are trying to help you find your way back to the Lord! Satan has infiltrated your mind and helped you justify your current thinking. Are you going to allow Satan to steal your soul or repent and allow Jesus to restore your soul? Time is ticking away, the choice is at hand! I pray you make the correct one! I love you in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

          • James Johnson

            Don’t presume that I live a life of sin. I practice love and compassion and live that way. Jesus did not die! That is YOU lying about that. He lives on in the hearts of those who love. What you are proposing is a life filled with fear. What did Jesus say about fear and worry? See you have been the ones misled. You don’t love others because of sincerity, you love others out of fear of a vengeful god. What you are suggesting is loving others for fear that you will not be accepted by a God who commands obedience. That’s not true love.

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          • Karen

            Jesus died on the cross, He ascended to heaven for 3 days descended back to earth where He remained for 40 days and returned to heaven and sent the HOLY SPIRIT that indwells in the saved persons heart. What I want to know is how can you say I don’t love others because of sincerity, but out of fear of a vengeful God? You don’t know me from Adam, and guess what, I love because the Holy Spirit in me ALLOWS me to love. I am not IN LOVE with everything, but I do love. I have a feeling you lost your ability to love. You must have really been in a cult and not a true Christian church that disillusioned you so badly! And you said you don’t live in sin? We ALL live in sin daily, that is why we need to pray and ask for forgiveness of our sins daily!! The only person who didn’t sin (daily) was Jesus Christ and I don’t think YOU are Jesus Christ II! Seriously, you need to hit your knees and ask for forgiveness, Jesus is the only way to remove Satan’s hold on your thinking!

          • James Johnson

            Well Love is my religion what say you to that? And your right I guess you took it personally that I was saying you are not capable of loving others. That was not the intention in that last comment. And I bend my knees to no genocidal god who demands the blood of his own son. Demanding fealty is something less than a good king does to his subjects. A good king reluctantly leads his men into battle only when it is the last resort. This god wipes them out in their entirety and then changes his mind. Also do you know the story of Job? A good king dies to bring justice to the downtrodden. A good king leads by example. He leads a life of love if he wants his subjects to reciprocate in kind. A good king gets loyalty from loyalty. He doesn’t make ultimatums and scare everyone into supporting him. If anything if god were a king he would be deposed as one of the bad ones.
            And you could go on and on about Jesus dying, but he is not, nor did he. If he died then he would be dead but he lives. It was ruse.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Again, Jesus died and rose the third day from the dead. It is BECAUSE he lives in the HEARTS of those of us who BELIEVE IN HIM, that we can LOVE at all. He does not live in our hearts because we love, but to give us love.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus died, and rose on the third day. Without His death for sin, we could not be saved. I’m sorry, but you are misinformed.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Jesus went to hell only once, to preach the gospel to those in chains. Then He rose to His Father in Heaven. Sorry, but you won’t be “hanging out with Jesus in Hell.”

          • Matthew V. Brown

            While you atheists may indeed be hanging out in hell, I can guarantee you that you won’t be hanging out with Jesus.

          • James Johnson

            You sound like your trying to convince yourself.

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          • Matthew V. Brown

            Then you must not be listening, or in this case, reading very carefully.

          • James Johnson

            Read it again. You didn’t get the message.

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          • Matthew V. Brown

            Oh, but I did get the message. I hope you get the message.

          • James Johnson

            This is a good example of how no one can rationalize with the religious. Because if you could there would be no religious.

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          • Nogods

            Unfortunately, it is difficult to use logic and reason to convince someone that they are wrong when logic and reason wasn’t used to convince them that they were right.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Or, as I have heard it said, “You can’t argue someone out of something they have not been argued into.”

          • Nogods

            Indeed.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Clever play on words, James. Not a correct assumption, but clever nonetheless. The only true irrationality is denying the truth when you are confronted with it. Evidently you don’t believe that you have been confronted with it yet.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Amusing, James. Not persuasive, but amusing.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Be careful in using the words “sick” and “hypocrite”…sometimes accusations simply are to close to home.

          • James Johnson

            Yeah you got me pinned. Speculate much? Don’t worry, there is help out there for you. Here’s a challenge. Read your bible and DON’T add your own interpretation. Just read it for what it says and when your done, what the heck you’ll be one of us!  Isn’t that just marvelous?

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          • Matthew V. Brown

            I have read the Bible several times and studied it in Greek and Hebrew, and in the context of Ancient Near Eastern Culture. I have avoided adding an interpretation of “my own”, but l interpret the Scripture as I am taught by the Holy Spirit, never forgetting context. I do read the Bible for what it says in whole and part.Maybe as we both continue to read, we will draw closer in understanding. Wouldn’t that be wonderful.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            No…now James, tell us what you REALLY think! HA!

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Amusing…I wonder if you will be equally amused when you appear before Jesus on His Great White Throne. Oh…that’s right…you believe He will be in hell.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            By the way, unless Jesus took the vow of a Nazirite, he did not have long hair, and all the sappy, sentimental representations of Him have been historically and Biblically incorrect.

          • Jonathan

            You think it’s contradictory because, you don’t understand it.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            No, he thinks it is contradictory and doesn’t understand it because he has an unrepentant heart. He is not willing to submit himself to the Word of God.

          • Karen

            The “sinner’s prayer” if done with a true heart, is a way to call on Jesus for salvation. “Joining” a church, that teaches the bible, helps you grow as a Christian. The more you learn about the bible, the more you grow in GOD word and THEN you receive discernment of the word, not just misunderstanding of the word!

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            You can’t show me one example in the New Testament where anyone was saved by simply saying “The Sinner’s Prayer”. You can, however, read of water immersion in every account of someone obeying the Gospel from Acts 2 onward.

          • Karen

            Its not the exact prayer that saves us, but the calling to Jesus for salvation, accepting that we are sinners and need saving from our earthly sin! The “water immersion” is only a symbol of washing away of the old sinner into a new “cleansed”
            believer. It is NOT a condition of salvation!

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Yes, the sinner outside the body of Christ must call on the name of the Lord. The way such a one does that is by being baptized (immersed) in order to have their sins washed away. Acts 22:16

            Also, baptism doeth also now save us. I Peter 3:20-21

            Salvation and all spiritual blessings can only be found IN Christ. How does one get into Christ? Water immersion. Gal. 3:26-27.

            He that believeth AND IS BAPTIZED shall be saved. He that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:15-16

          • Matthew V. Brown

            You also cannot show me anywhere in the Bible (specifically the New Testament) where it is claimed that water immersion saved anyone.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            MT. 28:18-20
            Mark 16:15-16
            John 3:3-5 (Christ make an allusion to water immersion and links it with the Holy Spirit, which is in harmony with Acts 2:38, 41, 47) Also, the Kingdom of Heaven in John 3 refers to the Church.)
            I Peter 3:21
            Acts 2:38
            Acts 22:16
            Romans 6:1-8
            Gal. 3:26,27
            Col. 2:8-15
            I Peter 3:21

            All of these teach water immersion is essential to salvation.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Matthew 28:18-20 says nothing of immersion, nor its necessity for salvation. If your first example is incorrect, it is probable that the rest of your examples are equally deficient. Picking another, at random…I Peter 3:21 does not specifically speak of immersion. You cannot look at the word “baptism” and assume that “immersion” is being referred to. Sorry.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            The words baptism, baptize, and baptizing come from the Greek baptizo, which means to plunge, immerse, or overwhelm. The word is not a direct translation, but a transliteration where the letters of one alphabet are directly substituted for the letters of another. Several scriptures prove this out:

            Joh 3:23 And John also was baptizing in Enon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

            Notice they were baptizing in Enon because there was MUCH WATER there. Much is needed to immerse. Little is needed to sprinkle or pour.

            Rom 6:3 Or are ye ignorant that all we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
            Rom 6:4 We were buried therefore with him through baptism unto death: that like as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.

            Notice in verse 4 we are BURIED WITH HIM THROUGH BAPTISM.

            Would you say sprinkling a handful of dirt on a casket in a grave is burial or completely covering it?

            Col 2:11 in whom ye were also circumcised with a circumcision not made with hands, in the putting off of the body of the flesh, in the circumcision of Christ;
            Col 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, wherein ye were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

            Notice again in verse 12 having been BURIED WITH HIM IN BAPTISM…

            The Bible is its own best commentary when you take in the whole picture.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            You make what seems to be a convincing argument. I shall have to consider it.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            If you have any questions, just post them and I’ll be glad to answer them as best I can for you.

          • Alex Voon

            Well done, Brother. You are a good servant of God. I would like you to share more on other topics too. No use casting pearls to swine. Win some in sharing. One thing I like to say. My guess is using that word “fool” is out of anger. We should try our best not to use it. Keep up the good work. Shalom.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            I was quoting scripture. God Himself calls the atheist a fool. “The fool hath said in his heart ‘There is no God.'”Psalm 14:1 and Psalm 53:1

          • Matthew V. Brown

            According to Bauer, Arndt and Gingrich, baptize means dip, immerse, dip oneself, wash…it is also used of Jewish ritual washings. BAG also refers to NON-CHRISTIAN literature, in which it CAN mean plunge, sink, drench, or overwhelm. While I affirm immersion as the preference in Christian baptism, I will not require of another what cannot be confirmed in the Bible.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Sprinkle in the Koine Greek is rantizo. Pour in the Koine Greek is pronounced Ek-kay-oh. The Koine Greek is very precise. Since baptizo is the word used, immersion is necessarily bound as law for the approved method of “baptism”.

            Here are other Lexical Citations, including the ones we cited:

            Baptizo: “To make a thing dipped or dyed. To immerse
            for a religious purpose” (A Critical Lexicon and
            Concordance to the English and Greek New Testament, E.W.
            Bullinger).

            Baptizo: “Dip, immerse, mid. Dip oneself, wash (in
            non-Christian lit. also ‘plunge, sink, drench, overwhelm.
            . . .’)” (A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Arndt and Gingrich, p. 131).

            Baptizo: “immersion, submersion” (A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, Grimm-Thayer, p. 94).

            Baptizo: “to dip, immerse, sink” (Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament, Abbott-Smith, p. 74).

            Baptizo: “dip, plunge” (A Greek-English Lexicon,
            Liddell & Scott, p. 305).

            Baptizo: “consisting of the process of immersion, submersion and emergence (from bapto, to dip)” (Vine’s Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words).

            Baptizo: “immerse, sumberge. The peculiar N.T. and Christian use of the word to denote immersion, submersion for a religious purpose” (Biblico-Theological Lexicon of the New
            Testament Greek, Cremer).

            Baptizo: “to dip, immerse; to cleanse or purify by washing” (The New Analytical Greek Lexicon, Perschbacher, p. 66).

            Baptizo: “to dip, to immerse, to sink. . . . There is no evidence that Luke or Paul and the other writers of the New Testament put
            upon this verb meanings not recognized by the Greeks” (Greek and
            English Lexicon, Sophocles).

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Well-researched. Thank you!

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            You are truly welcome, my friend.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            “Apologetics Press” seems to be a very good site. I’m going to browse there for a while. “True Discipleship” looks interesting as well. Thank you.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            You’re most welcome. I’m away from home until tomorrow. I just stopped by to check e-mail and wanted to respond to you. Apologetics Press is a very good site. They have book, chapter, and verse to back up everything they publish. If you want a one-stop repository for legitimate scientific evidence that completely destroys atheistic and theistic evolution, that’s the place. They also have content for child readers as well.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            I also remember the Billy Graham Crusades, and I don’t remember him ever using the words “the church of your choice”. I would also beware of referring to Billy Graham as “blind”…God will hold you to your words. By the way, how many people have you led to Christ? I only ask because you seem far to quick to refer to him as a false teacher.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wETNroHmyQQ

            I have had many discussions on YouTube about what one must do to be saved. I have stood in the pulpit and preached.

            I am active with my local congregation. I could still do more.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Billy Graham says “Join a Bible-believing Church”. His first error is that no one can JOIN any church. If you can JOIN a group that calls itself a church, it is NOT a church.

            Only the LORD ADDS THE SAVED TO HIS CHURCH. ACTS 2:47
            There is only ONE Church. Eph. 4:4-6 The Body is the Church.
            Colossians 1:18, 24 and Ephesians 5:23. Christ built one church (Mt. 16:18). He purchased that one church with his blood. Acts 20:28. The Lord’s Church is mentioned by name Romans 16:16. In that passage, the plural Churches is in the congregational context and not the denominational. It’s the same as saying the Churches of Christ in North America.

          • James Johnson

            That’s because in a moment of incredible foresight they realized that in the future anyone who argued with facts will lose and wind up looking like a fool. And in so doing would be shamed by that truth and would turn away from the deception which is religion. I find that an incredible foresight and it’s these little gems that makes me take notice of ALL scriptures seeking any kernel of useful content.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness…” This says nothing of “kernels of useful content”.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            I have yet to hear Billy Graham quote from the Greek New Testament (though I know he knows it well). That is the one I refer to.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            signdoc…then you also know what the Bible says about implying that others are fools… BTW, your friend and scholar Billy Graham graduated from the same seminary where I received my MDiv. In all my years of seeing Billy Graham, whom I greatly respect, I never saw him use any version other than an English version. King James is, in fact, an English version.

          • Ken says

            OMG – I stepped up to help you but you don’t need my help at all. You covered many items that I omitted because of space. Another good post and from the heart. Right on Man.

          • Christopher Allen

            GOD has, for sure, BLESSED you James! Thank You!
            The hypocrits will be quieted at the Throne!

          • Don Hill

            I couldnt have said things better, churchs have become clicks, folks are so afraid of getting involved with each other, new coming are basically shunned n are looked upon as possible virus, unfortunately God has become a new comer in his own house

          • Gary Daniel

            Boy, that was a lot of judgement.

          • Karen

            Your problem is the big “I” . I did this, I did that! You were putting yourself above GOD! Good works without faith is VOID! Good works done for your own glory are done in vain! You need to repent and put God first in your life and use the knowledge you learned to go forward in Christ name! Rebuke satan, he has a strong hold on you brother!

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Self-aggrandizement is a form of pride, James. It is a sin.

          • James Johnson

            Yeah and I am proud of my son for many high achievements. Oooohhhhhh I skeert.
            Is that all ya got? Lame and FAIL.

            But you know, all is said and done. Peace be with you.

            Don’t forget to love.

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          • Matthew V. Brown

            Thank you…I won’t forget to love. Don’t forget humility, James.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            The sin of pride was the first sin, James.

          • Eva

            Boy, were you ever in the wrong ‘church’. When you come across something like you described, pack your Bible and visit another church. Prepare yourself by prayer and Bible study. I listen to sermons, take notes, then go home and look it up in the Bible.
            BTW, the church is not a building, a denomination, a religion. The Church is the true believer…one who accepts Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour. follow His precepts.

          • Christopher Allen

            And, i don’t think you have been “sifted” out, as of yet!
            Judge on!

          • Stan Hoffman

            Christopher, as if you even know what your talking about. I can make any judgment of a persons character I want. That is not being judgmental as to what the bible refers to as judge not lest ye shall be judged accordingly. And God gave His children a promise that He would bless those who bless them, and curse those who curse them. So james brings the curse of God upon his own life and it seems you do to. And if you think hypocrites are in church, you need to be there to. You’d fit right in as another hypocrite.

          • frawgeyz

            Amen. Having a form of Godliness but denying the power thereof. II TI.3:5

          • Stan Hoffman

            frawgeyz, well said.

          • frawgeyz

            As was your post Stan. TY and God Bless.

          • ort

            IF God is real? You just showed your hand. ‘Nuff said.

          • James Johnson

            God is real? than you just showed your inability to humble yourself. You showed your hand. Enough said.

          • ort

            Your response didn’t even make any sense.

          • Christopher Allen

            His did, your’s didn’t!

          • ort

            You keep interjecting with foolish words. Enough already.

          • ort

            LOL! Did you do your homework for school tomorrow? And why are you up this late?

          • don lavrich

            you will have fear when you are standing before Him in judgement!

          • James Johnson

            Nope not me son.

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          • don lavrich

            L.O.L. you really are a fool!

          • James Johnson

            Name calling is a trait of Christians these days. Congrats! For not letting any of us reality based organisms down. We expect barbaric antics and rhetoric and you my friend have lived up to expectations.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            As have you, James. As have you…

          • Ken says

            There you go – who made you the Judge.

          • Christopher Allen

            I believe the Bible says not to call another a fool! Looks like you have the proverbial “log’ in your eye!

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            The only one that can rightly be called a FOOL is the one who denies the existence of the God of the Bible.

            Psa 14:1 For the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works; There is none that doeth good.
            Psa 53:1 For the Chief Musician; set to Mahakath. Maschil of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity; There is none that doeth good.

            Man doesn’t have to bother calling these people fools. God has already done it.

          • Dot

            RIGHT ON. The “God-Haters” got it wrong AGAIN!!!

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Well quoted, WishIWuzACropDuster!

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            That’s God’s Word. Let God’s Word be true and every man a liar.

          • Dot

            “THE FOOL HATH SAID IN HIS HEART, THERE IS NO GOD.”

          • signdoc

            Yeah Ya will

          • Ken says

            You are full of do do Don – I look forward to the meeting. You see He died for my sins to;and I know my heart and deeds – whether I praise the Lord in His glorious creations or cower in some church casting judgement on my fellow man. If you are happy with your religion keep doing it – it’s your Constitutional Right. I will continue as I have – it is my Constitutional Right – so stay out of it.

          • Sue4477

            It sounds like you were in an awful church. No wonder you feel release. There are plenty of churches that aren’t negative like the one you describe.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Ken, I would think that you would be more concerned about what the Bible says are your obligations that what the Constitution says about your rights.

          • Ken says

            Since I live in the USA – the Constitution and Bill of Rights are the law of the land. It Provides the Right to freedom of Religio. It also provides for the separation of Church and State. The government of the USA and any other power – has NOT delegated you or any other Religious Entity including all the Religious Zealots/Bigots/Segregationists the right to delegate Constitutional Rights to any Citizen – enjoy your religion, that is what your Church is for.- if you are not a troll for the 1% Liberal Elite.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Nope. Not a troll for the 1% Liberal Elite. More part of the 1% Conservative “Anything but Elite”. But you misunderstood what I said—I didn’t say ANYTHING about religion and the “right to delegate Constitutional Rights to any Citizen”. But you already knew that since I assume you can read.

          • Christopher Allen

            I don’t think so!

          • Wayne Peterkin

            Spoken boldly today, but I suspect not so much when faced with your fate.

          • Christopher Allen

            And, i guess, because of what you have said, that you will be on the throne? Such a bunch of judgemental people!

          • Dot

            STUDY THE BIBLE, CHRISTOPHER. Christians are to JUDGE RIGHTEOUSLY, per Scripture, but there is a right and a wrong way to judge. We can judge WORDS and ACTIONS per Scripture. Just not a person’s soul. You have proved over and over again, that you are TRYING to pretend you know something about God’s Word, and you know NOTHING. PLEASE….BEFORE IT IS TO LATE…..GET INTO THE WORD OF GOD AND HE WILL LEAD YOU TO THE TRUTH. YOUR ETERNITY DEPENDS ON YOU DOING THIS.

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            The only judging we are barred from is prejudicial judgment based on stereotypes, etc. As you said, when one’s actions violate Holy Writ and we point that out, we’re really NOT judging. We’re merely pointing out the judgment God has already pronounced for that sinful behavior, philosophy, etc.

          • Wayne Peterkin

            I don’t sit on any throne. I just beg forgiveness. Unlike you, I know I’m not perfect.

          • Ferrol

            All I know is my God is perfect and His word is perfect .you are corrections in saying you Christian’s have failed at so much . That is why I need a Savior. But if you look around at all the pain in the world whether you or anyone wants to admit it or not it is Christians who do most of the good and help those who are hurting. That is because our Lord has been so good to us we rejoice y helping others . Yet the church does fall short because we are weak vessels. Only by Gods grace and mercy are we of any good. I hope one day you make peace with your Creator .

          • Christopher Allen

            So, i guess you think that what you said, is not Judging? I think James knows GOD much more than most, on this post!
            The problem, today, is “religion”! People that think their way is the only true way, when JESUS, is the only true way, the truth, and the life, and the LIGHT!

          • Dot

            Dear God, Christopher. Stop pretending you understand Scripture. You know just enough to be DEADLY. CHRISTIANS ARE COMMANDED TO JUDGE. BUT, THEY ARE COMMANDED TO JUDGE “RIGHTEOUSLY.” “Judge not, lest ye be judged, BUT if ye judge, JUDGE RIGHTEOUSLY. Stop adding to and taking away from God’s Word. Scripture says that those who do this, will pay a heavy price. It’s in the WORD. STUDY, then you will be able to make intelligent comments on the Holy Bible.

          • Karen

            You said it right, James knows God- He knows OF God in his head but NOT in his heart! How sad. Even the demons know of God and tremble!! I have heard it said ” He will miss out on heaven by 12 inches– the distance between his head and his heart!”

          • frawgeyz

            Sadly, “Fear is the beginning of Godly Wisdom” Psa. 111:10. You say that you are a Christian and then address us as “you Christians” and in doing so separate yourself from those of us who believe and honor God’s word.

          • James Johnson

            You don’t honor Jesus through Paul. You wind up opposing Jesus.

            Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

            ——– Original message ——–

          • frawgeyz

            You dishonor Jesus when you neither receive nor understand God’s written word and the Holy Word Joh. 1:14 of God. Since the carnal mind is “enmity between God and man” and you adhere to your own ideologies you have no standard to even know what is good and evil and right or wrong. For the very fact that you say that you see you are blind James. God’s ways are higher than yours any man’s and they may be found only in His written word.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Paul would find your statement interesting. So would Jesus.

          • jeff

            James Johnson,
            1.What do you know about God?
            2. If you know anything about God, how did you come to this knowledge?

            God bless!
            -Jeff

          • Karen

            The DEVIL makes you feel “very comfortable” when he can keep you away from what you know is the truth. Wether you believe it now, or when you are before the throne of God, it shall be PROVEN!!

          • Matthew V. Brown

            If God is real, you will have no opportunity to ask your questions. You will be weighed, found wanting, and condemned. The fear that you feel then will more than make up for the “lack of fear” that you feel now.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            God is real. Perhaps you should begin to “fear”, considering the implications of that statement.

          • James Johnson

            If God is real he is the most horrid cold hearted being in existence. He said so himself. Well, your book did. So to the contrary my friend if he is real, you may quake in fear and may he strike me dead right this very moment. Nope I’m still standing strong, just loving on others and helping where I may making the world within reach a better place by being a good father and husband and son. Read your bible and please don’t try to make it say what you want it to say, take it for its word. You will learn eventually that you have been lied to for your whole life.

            Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

            ——– Original message ——–

          • Christopher Allen

            Only a hypocrite would doubt GOD! You are judging, and not Loving!

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            I agree with you Wayne.

            Heb 10:24 And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,
            Heb 10:25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.
            Heb 10:26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
            Heb 10:27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.
            Heb 10:28 Anyone who has set aside the law of Moses dies without mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses.
            Heb 10:29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?
            Heb 10:30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine; I will repay.” And again, “The Lord will judge his people.”
            Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

            2Th 1:6 since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you,
            2Th 1:7 and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels
            2Th 1:8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
            2Th 1:9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might,
            2Th 1:10 when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed.

          • savannarose55

            us Christians just go by the words of our Lord, and work hard to show others we love them no matter what but as believers of God and his word, it is our duty out of love to tell people we must live by God’s rules, not what we, as sinners want, and we must not only believe Jesus died for our sins, which is your only way to heaven, but that we should live our lives (many times giving up earthly wants and desires) so that our Lord will be with us in grace according to his word. God bless you and show you the way. I saw something cute on fb, and feel I should share. “theres a highway to hell, but only a stairway to heaven”, a little humor to a tremendous truth…….

          • Christopher Allen

            And, you should really think about that! Where, in any part of the Bible does it say that it is anyone’s duty to tell people we must live by GOD’s rules? I believe it says to spread the Gospel, and the Christ Jesus! You, and other’s just love to twist things to suit your attitudes! I will Pray to GOD for your forgiveness!

          • savannarose55

            it is our duty to teach what is God’s way as in the bible. we as Christians are called on to minister which is called, to bear fruit for our Lord. now there is a big difference between teaching or ministering and judging: we do this out of love, if duty is to harsh of a word………..

            Titus 2:11-15 ESV / 52 helpful votes

            For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works. Declare these things; exhort and rebuke with all authority. Let no one disregard you.

            1 John 4:11-12 ESV / 49 helpful votes

            Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.

            Matthew 18:15-17 ESV / 49 helpful votes

            “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

            James 3:17 ESV / 45 helpful votes

            But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere.

            1 Thessalonians 5:12-16 ESV / 43 helpful votes

            We ask you, brothers, to respect those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord and admonish you, and to esteem them very highly in love because of their work. Be at peace among yourselves. And we urge you, brothers, admonish the idle, encourage the fainthearted, help the weak, be patient with them all. See that no one repays anyone evil for evil, but always seek to do good to one another and to everyone. Rejoice always,

            Romans 12:20-21 ESV / 42 helpful votes

            To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

            James 4:11 ESV / 41 helpful votes

            Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge.

            2 Timothy 3:5-6 ESV / 40 helpful votes

            Having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions,

            1 Corinthians 5:12 ESV / 40 helpful votes

            For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge?

            Romans 2:1 ESV / 40 helpful votes

            Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things.

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            Romans 12:9-11 ESV / 38 helpful votes

            Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good. Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor. Do not be slothful in zeal, be fervent in spirit, serve the Lord.

            John 8:15-16 ESV / 36 helpful votes

            You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone who judge, but I and the Father who sent me.

            1 John 4:7-10 ESV / 35 helpful votes

            Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            Praise be to God: Amen Amen! Thank you sister I pray your word from God is received with the same Love as it was Given.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Well done, Savannarose!

          • Peatro Giorgio

            Smugness seems to suit you! as well your interpretations of scripture.Pride is as mush a sin,as is arrogance, comes under pride as well Bravado. It is quite clear you have read some of Scripture.It is just as clear you have yet to read all of scripture. Now I shall not claim to fully understand or appreciate all of Gods word but certainly You seem to have missed in its entirety. May I be so humble yet bold and suggest you sit down open up the Good book to the beginning. Begin first by praying for discernment,also ask for the wisdom to guide your tongue ,open both your heart and mind.So that you receive, His every word in Love . This Comment an suggestion should be consider by all My brother an sisters In Christ.

          • ort

            If as a Christian, or so you say, all you found was the negative—then that’s on you. Isn’t it?
            I think so.

          • James Johnson

            You cant be all fuzzy wuzzy now can you? You have to take the bad with the good because your god made it ALL.

          • ort

            No, when God completed His work He declared it to be “very good.”
            “Through one man (Adam) sin entered the world.”
            What God made perfect, humans messed up. Want someone to blame? Look in the mirror, like we all should. Our sins nailed Him to that cross, but love kept Him there. As much as you mock and scorn Him, He loved you enough to die for you.
            And I say, shame on you.

          • Christopher Allen

            “Love kept him there” what kind of inane comment is that! JESUS rose from the dead; HE didn’t stay nailed to the cross!

          • ort

            Really, are you that thick????? Seriously, I have to explain that simple phrase to you???
            Wow. What a maroon.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            Your Teaching is off the mark ! God also said it is not good for man to be alone, So He created woman. Now it was not just through Adam that sin came into the world. No sin Begot Eve and Adam. Eve tempted by the Serpent,Adam tempted through Eve Think about how many sins were committed that day. In total I come up with five. I might suggest you reread the book of Genesis slowly and deliberately an pray on each chapter to receive the word of God and for Discernment of His Word.

          • ort

            Hardly. I quoted Romans 5:12. Paul was taught by Jesus Himself and wrote through the Holy Spirit. Adam was given headship. He dropped the ball, and he sinned. Sin is passed through the father.
            Are you saying God is a liar? Because I quoted His Word and you are saying I’m wrong.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            The mockery is from your lips.When you use out of context and out of harmony a verse from scripture. The pity is the refusal to except sound correction . Think about this. What Paul was saying is that sin entered the world through Adam, whence came Eve. Paul was not saying all sin was of Adam. Please The word of God must Harmonize other wise it is for not. If one is truly to know Gods word. ! One must think beyond what ones preconceived perceptions are. For there truly is a far deeper meaning and intention. If we are to surrender are selves over to Christ and hear with our open hearts and clear minds. Then wisdom is not in that which we wish to hear. but that which Christ has prepared us to hear. I shall throw back your very question. Redirected to you. Are you saying God is a liar. For I dare not make such a claim.

          • ort

            I whole heartedly disagree with your exegesis, brother. But there is no malice on my part.
            We will simply agree to disagree.

          • James Johnson

            Oh and that’s on you now isn’t it?

          • ort

            Again, your response belongs in

          • Christopher Allen

            ORT? You will hear our LORD and SAVIOR when he tells you what a hypocrite you have been! You don’t have the Love of JESUS in you; at least, not yet!

          • ort

            Pipe down Chrissy, and read your own posts. Hypocrisy much?

          • Lester Peoples

            ort, I believe James Johnson is an ‘Obama’ Christian
            remember those who said to Jesus, “didn’t we cast out demons in your name?” what was the reply? “Depart from me that do iniquity–I never knew you!” What a terrible thing to hear !
            Wishing and knowing’ is two different things! It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God!

          • ort

            God looks at the heart, I can only see the outside. But Jesus said we would know them by their fruits. He already said “IF there is a God”, so I can pretty much come to only one conclusion.

          • Christopher Allen

            And i can only come to one conclusion; you all will take any word and twist it to suit your purpose; not GOD’s! I Pray HIS mercy on you all!

          • ort

            How can I twist what is plainly written? You say it is “twisting” because you have a discernment problem.

          • Christopher Allen

            Then you should be way afraid lester! There is but one GOD, and HE created us ALL, and HE Loves us ALL!
            And, your Obama statement shows just how much of a hypocrite you are!

          • Christopher Allen

            ORT? Did he say ALL that he saw was negative? I believe he has, seen the Light, of JESUS Love, but recognized what the “churches” are doing with their hell and damnation talk, and judging, where they don’t have the right!

          • ort

            Look, the Gospel is real simple. Repent, admit you’re a sinner, ask Jesus to forgive you, realize that ONLY His Blood takes away your sin, then take up your cross and follow Him.

            When we do that, we become a New Creation. That means we don’t engage in homosexuality, drug use, alcoholism, adultery, theft, etc.

            If this needs to be explained to you, then maybe You should re-examine your walk with Him.

          • Ken says

            James -well written and from the heart. My family and I were very active in a large Church (2800) members – Choir, on two committees, baptized, confirmed, our children baptized too, Then our pastor decided we needed a new cathedral and with his changes it went 1 1/2 million over budget. He got a better offer and moved to the West Coast. The new pastor convinced the Council to impose a 10% or more contribution requirement. To make sure every member complied – You were to bring your last tax return when you met with a Council member to fill out and sign your pledge. It worked for the Mormons surly it was a good plan lol. Over 300 families walked out – including us – Sundays became a true pleasure – they were dedicated to enjoying the beauty of Gods Creations – hiking, picnics camping. A real family together time. Getting out of the money grubbing, tax exempt religion industry was one of our best and most rewarding family decisions.

          • Christopher Allen

            So true!

          • signdoc

            I have Lesbians, Gays, Bi-Racial Siste, Nephews Grandsons and Great Nephews and Nieces. They seem to understand what You never will. It is Stated in the Bible, All have sinned and came Short of the Glory of God. I ask for His forgiveness Daily, so therefore I love Them All, but DO NOT condone a sin as God calls it. That goes to say You are Judging. No ifs ands of buts.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            Sister If you must repent for the same sin everyday then you have not repented. Yes we are to love the sinner and hate the sin .However sister. It is also said and this is not legalize IT IS GODS WORD. JAMES JOHNSON WAS CORRECT IN HIS AVOCATION OF GODS WORD. GOD SAID MY YOKE IS LIGHT. THAT DOESN’T MEAN IT WOULD BE EASY. IF ONE IS TRULY TO REPENT THEN HE SHALL REMOVE HIM OR HERSELF FROM THE SIN IN BOTH HEART AND MIND. YOU ALSO SEEM TO TAKE FROM SCRIPTURE WHAT TICKLES YOUR EAR. GOD i PRAY THAT YOU SAVE THE LOST SHEEP AND RETURN THEM TO YOUR FLOCK. AS WELL FATHER I PRAY THEY RECEIVE YOUR VARY WORD AN NOT THAT WHICH THEY WISH TO HEAR.

          • signdoc

            I read it more than I listen, probally more than 90% of those writing here. But when it comes to Marriage it says the same over and over.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            If what you say is so then you’re leaving out the entirety of the book of Genesis. In the Beginning What did God say. He said It was not good for man to be alone So from Adams Rib he created Woman to be his Helper. He did not create two women or two men. He created One man and one woman. Now Christ Said yes we no longer live under the old Covenant. Christ also said the old Mosaic Laws are not dead, the old mosaic laws are good for learning, Discerning and teaching. My O My whence we desire to sin how it is one will misconstrue the word of God. . Through out Christ teachings he made it abundantly clear. If one repents of his sin and turns away from that sin one is Forgiven. He never implied that to ask for forgiveness then having received Forgiveness it is then okay to turn back into that same sin. So therefor sister because your heart is filled with Love for your gay and Lesbian friends and you desire for than to be with you in heaven. Does not Give you a pass on teaching what is Not actually the word Of God. Now my claim is not that of the Great theologians. Though I have read and study many of their writings.That which I believe to be true Is throughout the entirety of scripture and not with in selective versus. Again God said Love the sinner hate the sin. Remember to think about that which is a sin. Is the very same as having committed the sin. We must come onto the Lord with pure hearts and clear minds. Otherwise it is all for not.

          • signdoc

            It says Man and Woman. Through out the Bible. That is marriage. Government has no right to Change what Gods word says just because 2 Men or 2 Women want to Live Wrongfully

          • Peatro Giorgio

            Then sister where is the argument. We are in agreement! Government ans neither Constitutional Authority or God given Authority to Change the definition of Marriage. Who may I ask was saying government had such Authority certainly Not I.

          • Larry

            No James that is not the case at all. God’s Word clearly states that we are remove someone from the congregation that refuses to stop wrong doing. If he or she repents and demonstrates that repents and changes their way, then we are to welcome them back. God’s Word also states we are to remove our fellowship while they are un-repentant, it does not say we are to stop loving them. The reason we are to remove them from the congregation and to not fellowship with them, is to keep s from being tempted going the wrong way our selves.
            One final thought, when I read things like James Johnson wrote, it really bothers me when they try to twist the Word to try to justify their own wrong doing., Just remember, if you truly know Jesus Christ as your Savior and Lord, just know you will be held accountable when you twist His Word.

          • Lemuse13

            Sad JJ

          • Brooke

            I’m sorry to hear that. Sounds like you were into legalism rather than in a relationship with God. Anything done for love of God, and in obedience to His word, should not feel like a burden or make you a more negative person. Trying to be a people pleaser sure will though.

          • jeff

            James Johnson,
            1. How do you define a “Christian”?
            2. How do you define that you “were a Christian”?
            3. How do you define “church”?
            4. Why did you stop going to “church”?

            God bless!
            -Jeff

          • Nogods

            “Fair enough. 🙂
            Now, I’m not here to condemn or criticize, or demand that you “see something”, or that you need to “get it”.
            I just simply want to present some information for you to consider.”

            So you have evidence that your god is real? I am excited! Let’s hear about it!

            “1. There is overwhelming scientific proof, that about 13.8 billion years ago, the entire universe came into existence from a single starting point.”

            It is great to see that you are not a young earth creationist! So it looks like we can agree that the Genesis account of creation is fictional. I would call that progress! From this, we can also agree that there are factual claims made in the bible that are false, true? I think that we can also safely agree then that the story of Adam and Eve is fictional. And As the story goes, god reincarnated himself as Jesus so that he could “sacrifice” himself, to himself, as a means of forgiving the sins of Adam and Eve. Yet, science is ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that Adam and Eve were not the first humans (and you and I are in agreement that the story is fictional), there is no evidence or reason to believe they ever existed. So the entire story of jesus is built upon this false premiss. If you don’t believe in the genesis story, and the entire story of Jesus is built upon that story, why would you believe the Jesus story?

            “So, there are only 2 possibilities.
            a)-“nothing” created something out of nothing.
            b)-“something” created something out of nothing.
            Clearly, “b” is the only choice that makes sense.”

            Prove that a is not true? Because you didn’t do that, and most astrophysists that study the science disagree with you. If you really want to know what real scientists think about the origin of the universe, watch this:

            http://youtu.be/rEr-t17m2Fo

            “Now, if something created something out of nothing, then that entity MUST be intelligent, and MUST have a purpose for their design.”

            Prove it.

            “Science has proven, (from a vast knowledge about the formation of stars and galaxies) that the ENTIRE universe, is precisely tuned and designed—SPECIFICALLY for CARBON-BASED life on earth, and precisely at this time (the last 50 or 100 million years or so) out of the 13.8 billion year history of the universe.”

            Science has not proven that. In fact, the exact opposite is true: Most of the vast universe is completely uninhabitable by carbon based life. Cite for me a SINGLE peer reviewed publication that has concluded that your god created ANYTHING – EVER – or that the universe was designed for carbon based life.

            “It is NOT POSSIBLE, that this happened by chance.”

            What is NOT POSSIBLE is that the universe was created by a 30 year-old dead Jewish carpenter who appeared in a remote desert, in a remote middle eastern country, on a remote planet, in a remote solar system, in a remote galaxy, about 2,000 years ago.

            “Also, this “necessary creator/cause”, MUST exist outside our current space-time continuum.”

            Prove it.

            “So, how do you explain your existence? Without God?”

            Evolution. Isn’t it interesting how you claim that science does not have all the answers (which it openly admits) but then go on to claim that YOU do have ALL the answers. Tens-of-thousands of the world’s smartest scientists are diligently working to figure out where the universe came from and how life evolves, but YOU have it ALL figured out. You KNOW all the answers. And you are ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN you are right. All those math equations and research that Richard Feynman, Einstein, or Stephen Hawking have struggled with are meaningless to you; all the hard work being done at the worlds top universities is a complete waste of time and money. Because YOU already know the answers to the questions these brilliant minds have been searching for. What is even more amazing is that you didn’t even have to waste all that time going to school, studying, and actually getting a real education! You found all the answers to the world’s most challenging questions in ONE BOOK which was written in the 1st century! And to top it off, you didn’t even have to read that ONE BOOK. You just let other people tell you what was written in the first chapter – when you were a child nonetheless! That was good enough for you, and now you are CERTAIN you are right! You are amazing! A rational person would see a problem with this. To you, it makes perfect sense.
            “Love to hear your thoughts!
            God bless!
            -Jeff”

            Jeff, your god is just like all the other gods that you ALREADY know do not exist. Really.

          • Nogods

            “I am referring to The One True God.!
            The Almighty Triune God of Holy Scripture.
            The Creator of the universe, Who has written His Moral Law upon our hearts, and has given us choice of free will (within certain parameters that He has set)–to love, or reject Him–and His plan of salvation for us.”

            Oh, the 30 year-old dead Jew that wondered around a remote desert in almost complete obscurity for about a year and a half before being killed for claiming that he was a king.

            Yea, he is fictional, just like all those other gods you already know are not real. The magical aspects of Christianity are obviously false. Here are simple facts you MUST ADMIT ARE TRUE:

            1. YOU MUST ADMITTED THAT AT LEAST SOME OF THE SUPERNATURAL CLAIMS MADE IN THE BIBLE ARE FALSE. This would include such things as the story of Adam and Eve and noah. And you HAVE ADMITTED this. If this is true, it places into question ALL supernatural claims. And the resurrection of Jesus is really the ONLY claim upon which his divinity is based.

            2. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT THE BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS OF THE RESURRECTION ARE INTERNALLY INCONSISTENT. This again is evidence that the accounts are unreliable.

            3. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT THE EARLY ROMANS REGULARLY DEIFIED MERE MORTALS. The early Romans were ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that men could become gods and gods could become men long before the time of Jesus. Early roman gods included Julius Cesar, Caesar Augustus, and Romulus. Almost ALL roman emperors were ultimately declared gods. This supernatural claim was bestowed upon virtually ANYONE who showed some type of special skill or authority. Thus, bestowing this title upon Jesus would be NOTHING unusual.

            http://www.academia.edu/2577051/How_Did_Roman_Emperors_Become_Gods_Various_Concepts_of_Imperial_Apotheosis

            And as it turned out, the early Romans were ABSOLUTELY WRONG about all these other gods. But these were the EXACT SAME people that claimed that jesus rose from the dead and proclaimed him a god, just as they had proclaimed many others before and after him. And just as these early Romans were ABSOLUTELY WRONG in their evaluation of the evidence as to the existence of all the other roman gods, they were ABSOLUTELY WRONG in their evaluation of the evidence about your god and his resurrection.

            4. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT THE EARLY ROMANS ERRONEOUSLY BELIEVED IN THE EXISTENCE OF MANY GODS. Romans were ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that Jupiter was a real god. They believed that for a thousand years, even in the face of uncontrovertibly evidence that their polytheistic beliefs were wrong. But as you must admit, the early Romans were ABSOLUTELY WRONG about all these other gods. But these were the EXACT SAME people that claimed that jesus rose from the dead and was a god. But this is the EXACT same claim they had made about many gods before him. And just as these early Romans were ABSOLUTELY WRONG in their evaluation of the evidence as to the existence of all the other roman gods, they were ABSOLUTELY WRONG in their evaluation of the evidence about your god and his resurrection.

            5. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT THE EARLY ROMANS ATTRIBUTED SUPERNATURAL EXPLANATIONS TO OBVIOUSLY NON SUPERNATURAL EVENTS. At the time jesus arrived, the early Roman culture was awash in erroneous supernatural beliefs. The early Romans attributed supernatural causes to natural events. This was typical of virtually all pre-modern cultures. The cultural acceptance of these beliefs was further reinforced by the government and were just a simple part of every day life. Thus, attributing a supernatural explanation to almost any event was nothing unusual. This would include attributing supernatural explanations to stories related to Jesus.

            6. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT THE STORIES DOCUMENTING THE RESURRECTION WERE NOT MEMORIALIZED UNTIL 30 TO 90 YEARS AFTER THE CLAIMED EVENTS HAPPENED AND INVARIABLY DO NOT ACCURATELY DOCUMENT THE EVENTS. Without a doubt, the oral tradition that perpetuated the stories was embellished and modified as it was passed along. The inconsistencies in the stories clearly demonstrates this.

            7. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT JESUS WAS NOT REGARDED AS A GOD DURING HIS LIFE TIME BUT WAS ONLY ELEVATED TO THAT STATUS DECADES AFTER HIS DEATH.

            8. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT THERE ARE NO EXTRA BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS OF THE RESURRECTION THOUGH THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF HIS PERSONA AND THE PENULTIMATE EVENT THAT MADE HIM A GOD. While there are extra biblical accounts referencing Jesus, NONE of them reference ANY supernatural aspects of his life. Though one would suspect that if they were true, they would have been the focus of any extra biblical accounts.

            9. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT CRUCIFIXION WAS COMMON IN THE EARLY ROMAN EMPIRE AND THAT ONLY ONE BODY EVIDENCING DEATH BY CRUCIFIXION HAS EVER BEEN FOUND. Detailed historical records document that during the early Roman Empire, THOUSANDS of people were crucified. And of those THOUSANDS that were crucified, only ONE body has EVER been discovered. If a missing body is evidence of resurrection, then THOUSANDS of other people have also rose from the dead.

            10. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS ARE ONE OF THE MOST UNRELIABLE FORMS OF EVIDENCE. Empirical studies have consistently shown that eye witness accounts, while highly valued, are the most unreliable form of evidence. This is especially true when the claimed events occurred in the prescientific age and involve an uneducated and illiterate population easily swayed by claims of the supernatural. To this day, comparable indigenous populations are easily convinced of all kinds of comparably ridiculous claims. This fact is equally true of highly educated people living today.

            Isn’t it interesting to think that there have been thousands of early questions about our universe that were once explained as “the work of god”. But as we became more educated and learned more about our world, those supernatural answers were replaced with real world answers. The interesting part of this however, is that during this time, NONE of those early questions were actually found to be the work of a god; “God” has NEVER turned out to actually be a correct answer to any question – EVER.

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            you have now gone into the atmosphere of absurdity! 🙂
            You do not state one item of truth in this whole entire post that you made! 🙂
            Furthermore, you fail to give even one tiny little bit of a logical comment to even try to support your belief that God does not exist! 🙂 I think this fact alone makes you extremely hilarious! 🙂

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            Your dismissive response is sad. Go paragraph by paragraph and tell me what I got wrong. Because these are UNDENIABLE facts. And that is why you just ignore them as opposed to addressing them. A dismissive response is really no response at all. So where is that rational open mind you claimed to have?

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            This is totally laughable! 🙂 These things that you wrote are a total joke! 🙂 there isn’t anything about any of this that is even remotely true, or even able to be supported by any logical evidence! 🙂 it’s simple, because this stuff that you wrote is a total joke! You are out of your mind! 🙂

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            The sadness continues. Let’s go paragraph by paragraph then. I will start:

            “1. YOU MUST ADMITTED THAT AT LEAST SOME OF THE SUPERNATURAL CLAIMS MADE IN THE BIBLE ARE FALSE. This would include such things as the story of Adam and Eve and noah. And you HAVE ADMITTED this. If this is true, it places into question ALL supernatural claims. And the resurrection of Jesus is really the ONLY claim upon which his divinity is based.”

            You have already admitted that the universe was NOT created in 6 days, about 6,000 years ago, correct?

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            1. All supernatural claims that are recorded in the Bible are true.
            2. Correct. The universe was not created 6000 years ago. It was created in 6 days, though you must use the proper Hebrew interpretation for the word “yom” which is being applied in Genesis 1.

            God bless!
            -Jeff

          • Nogods

            Jeff, it is pointless having a conversation with a closeminded cult member.
            If you really want to know what real scientists think about the origin of the universe, watch this:

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            Thanks for the video! It was interesting! Again, this is more evidence of explaining “how”. But, this says nothing of “why” things happened with such precision, or “why” they even happened at all. 🙂

            God bless!
            -Jeff

          • Nogods

            Yes, the experts that we agreed that we were going to rely upon are still figuring that out. Since they don’t have an answer, and they are the experts, that means YOU don’t have an answer either. And if you claim that you do have an answer, you are lying.

          • Nogods

            “1. All supernatural claims that are recorded in the Bible are true.”

            Lol! So much for valuing evidence!

            “2. Correct. The universe was not created 6000 years ago.”

            Well, at least we can agree that the biblical genealogies are wrong.

            “It was created in 6 days, though you must use the proper Hebrew interpretation for the word “yom” which is being applied in Genesis 1.”

            So exactly how does your creative math work?

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            The proper use of “yom” in Genesis 1, refers to a “large expanse of time”.

            God bless!
            -Jeff

          • Nogods

            So you must agree that Jesus didn’t necessarily rise from the dead in 3 days, because those stories use the same word.

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            The account and documentation and recording of the resurrection of Jesus is very well documented. It is well documented by the apostles, and also by additional eyewitness accounts, and by other Roman historians.
            You are totally out to lunch, if you don’t believe that the resurrection of Jesus is well documented.

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            I can tell that you simply ignored my comments in that regard. That is why you never responded to them.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Those stories were recorded in Greek, so of course they didn’t use the same word as the Hebrew in Genesis. If your are going to argue about the Bible, come prepared with some knowledge of the Bible.

          • Nogods

            Isn’t it odd that there is NOTHING written in the bible that could not have been written by someone living in the 1st century? Why is that? Why is the bible filled with so much utter nonsense.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            I assume you’re not talking about the Old Testament, since the Hebrew scrolls substantially pre-date the 1st century. And “nonsense” is your opinion. If I value your opinion, I will ask for it. As it is, you have given me no reason to value your opinion.

          • Nogods

            “I assume you’re not talking about the Old Testament, since the Hebrew scrolls substantially pre-date the 1st century.”

            Where do I find Jesus at in the Old Testament again?

            “And “nonsense” is your opinion.”

            I really have no idea how any educated person could read ANY of the bible and think that it was written by the most intelligent force ever to exist. Oddly, it reads EXACTLY like most other books written at the time.

            “If I value your opinion, I will ask for it.”

            Sorry, conversations don’t work that way. It is unfortunate that you think otherwise. That is just reflection of your poor judgment.

            “As it is, you have given me no reason to value your opinion.”

            Sure I have: my comments are rooted in logic and reason. Yours are based on ancient superstitious beliefs and wishful thinking.

          • Nogods

            And FYI – as Christianity evolved from a Jewish sect, the original gospels were probably written in hebrew or Aramaic. Isn’t it odd that the smartest, most powerful force the universe has ever know, would dictate a book written in a language that almost no one at the time could read or write and that would quickly die out almost completely?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            For your information, except for Matthew, which has some Aramaicisms, the other gospels were clearly written in Greek. What is odd is your nearly complete lack of knowledge when you talk about the Bible.

          • Nogods

            Unfortunately, most biblical scholars disagree with you. And so does the historical record which documents several 2nd – 5th century authors commenting on the original language of the text.

            Jews wrote the bible using the Jewish languages.

            Maybe we could just ask Jesus to clarify his book. Oh, wait, he is still dead.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            The proper use of “yom”, in Hebrew, refers to a “period of time” and was also used as “day”.

          • jeff

            Matthew V. Brown,
            Using PROPER hermeneutics, and performing PROPER exegesis, there is ONLY one meaning (of the 4) of the word “yom”, in the original Hebrew text of Genesis 1. And, that meaning is for a large expanse of time.

            God bless!
            -Jeff

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Using “proper hermeneutics” and “performing proper exegesis”, “yom” in the Hebrew test could be either a “period of time” or a “day”. Where did you study your Hebrew? Perhaps you should speak to one of your Old Testament professors.

          • jeff

            Matthew V. Brown,
            I’m sorry if I came off confrontational. 🙂
            Refer to Gleason Archer, or anyone of that caliber.

            God bless!
            -Jeff

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Gleason Archer is an excellent source. So is R. K. Harrison.

          • jeff

            Matthew V. Brown,
            I’ve read several of your other posts.
            Keep up the good work!
            You seem like a solid dude!

            Stay strong in The Word, brother!
            God bless!
            -Jeff

          • Matthew V. Brown

            God bless you, too, my brother!
            – Matthew

          • Nogods

            You keep ignoring this: “”Fair enough. 🙂
            Now, I’m not here to condemn or criticize, or demand that you “see something”, or that you need to “get it”.
            I just simply want to present some information for you to consider.”

            So you have evidence that your god is real? I am excited! Let’s hear about it!

            “1. There is overwhelming scientific proof, that about 13.8 billion years ago, the entire universe came into existence from a single starting point.”

            It is great to see that you are not a young earth creationist! So it looks like we can agree that the Genesis account of creation is fictional. I would call that progress! From this, we can also agree that there are factual claims made in the bible that are false, true? I think that we can also safely agree then that the story of Adam and Eve is fictional. And As the story goes, god reincarnated himself as Jesus so that he could “sacrifice” himself, to himself, as a means of forgiving the sins of Adam and Eve. Yet, science is ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that Adam and Eve were not the first humans (and you and I are in agreement that the story is fictional), there is no evidence or reason to believe they ever existed. So the entire story of jesus is built upon this false premiss. If you don’t believe in the genesis story, and the entire story of Jesus is built upon that story, why would you believe the Jesus story?

            “So, there are only 2 possibilities.
            a)-“nothing” created something out of nothing.
            b)-“something” created something out of nothing.
            Clearly, “b” is the only choice that makes sense.”

            Prove that a is not true? Because you didn’t do that, and most astrophysists that study the science disagree with you. If you really want to know what real scientists think about the origin of the universe, watch this:

            “Now, if something created something out of nothing, then that entity MUST be intelligent, and MUST have a purpose for their design.”

            Prove it.

            “Science has proven, (from a vast knowledge about the formation of stars and galaxies) that the ENTIRE universe, is precisely tuned and designed—SPECIFICALLY for CARBON-BASED life on earth, and precisely at this time (the last 50 or 100 million years or so) out of the 13.8 billion year history of the universe.”

            Science has not proven that. In fact, the exact opposite is true: Most of the vast universe is completely uninhabitable by carbon based life. Cite for me a SINGLE peer reviewed publication that has concluded that your god created ANYTHING – EVER – or that the universe was designed for carbon based life.

            “It is NOT POSSIBLE, that this happened by chance.”

            What is NOT POSSIBLE is that the universe was created by a 30 year-old dead Jewish carpenter who appeared in a remote desert, in a remote middle eastern country, on a remote planet, in a remote solar system, in a remote galaxy, about 2,000 years ago.

            “Also, this “necessary creator/cause”, MUST exist outside our current space-time continuum.”

            Prove it.

            “So, how do you explain your existence? Without God?”

            Evolution. Isn’t it interesting how you claim that science does not have all the answers (which it openly admits) but then go on to claim that YOU do have ALL the answers. Tens-of-thousands of the world’s smartest scientists are diligently working to figure out where the universe came from and how life evolves, but YOU have it ALL figured out. You KNOW all the answers. And you are ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN you are right. All those math equations and research that Richard Feynman, Einstein, or Stephen Hawking have struggled with are meaningless to you; all the hard work being done at the worlds top universities is a complete waste of time and money. Because YOU already know the answers to the questions these brilliant minds have been searching for. What is even more amazing is that you didn’t even have to waste all that time going to school, studying, and actually getting a real education! You found all the answers to the world’s most challenging questions in ONE BOOK which was written in the 1st century! And to top it off, you didn’t even have to read that ONE BOOK. You just let other people tell you what was written in the first chapter – when you were a child nonetheless! That was good enough for you, and now you are CERTAIN you are right! You are amazing! A rational person would see a problem with this. To you, it makes perfect sense.
            “Love to hear your thoughts!
            God bless!
            -Jeff”

            Jeff, your god is just like all the other gods that you ALREADY know do not exist. Really.”

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            Wow! You are so out to lunch!
            There are NO SCIENTISTS that actually believe that the universe created itself from nothing!
            This is totally a lie! No one believes this! Not if they were asked to stake their life and reputation on it!

            God bless!
            -Jeff

          • Nogods

            I gave you a link to a video that describes the current understanding of the orgin of our universe. You seem to want to ignore it and pretend that you have all the answer.

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            I told you that I watched it! I even said that it was interesting, and gave an interesting perspective on some of the physics of how things took place. none of this however, begins to explain why things are so finely tuned, and how things could even have a possibility without a creator! any thing that the guy talks about other than physics, is his own religion! 🙂

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            You must not have watched the whole video.

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            Yes, I watched almost the whole video! 🙂
            I had to respond to some of your comments, but I watched even after he started giving his “hypothesis” of how this “might have” all come about on its own!
            And, this is still totally absurd! How did anything come into being, to cause these reactions on their own, in the first place! 🙂 this is totally absurd!

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            The universe is absurd. Thinking that your god is responsible is insanity.

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            1. You are part of the universe! 🙂
            Wow! Are you now claiming that you are not part of this universe? 🙂
            Ha! You have gone beyond irrational!! 🙂

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            You have us confused. We are part of the universe. We are composed of the same elements as rocks and trees.

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            yes! And everything began by being created by Almighty God! 🙂 you need to start getting in touch with reality, instead of running off in your fairy tales with evolution, and thinking that human life evolves from a Paramecium or a protozoan! 🙂

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            Keep denying science Jeff. It makes you look smart. Really.

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            You don’t know any science, or any logic! 🙂 in fact, you are not even qualified to be having any part in this discussion! 🙂
            You actually believe that the human race evolved from a rock! 🙂 unbelievable!

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            You still haven’t told me what a rock is made of and what a human cell is made of? Why not? Do you not know?

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            how about a rock of uranium? or a rock of plutonium! how ignorant are you? 🙂 do you think a human cell contains uranium? 🙂

            You really need to educate yourself! 🙂

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            So you seem to understand that a “rock of uranium” has uranium in it (though your comment incorrectly implys that that is the ONLY thing that it is made of.) So what else would a “rock of uranium” be made of besides uranium?

            And now for a human cell, what is it made of? Take the next step Jeff. I know you can do it.

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            are you implying that you have rocks in your head? 🙂

          • Nogods

            Here is something that a person with an open mind would find interesting:

            http://youtu.be/bcqd3Q7X_1A

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            Thanks for the video! The physics was awesome! 🙂
            But, Sean Carroll is a “cracked pot”!! 🙂
            He contradicts himself! And he even says totally absurd things! Especially when he says that all of these things can just happen by chance! When he doesn’t have any good explanation. 🙂 he knows he is a joker! he knows that there had to be “stuff”, for all of this physics to take place! Where did the stuff come from!? 🙂 the physics is awesome! when Sean Carroll starts to preach his religion, he begins to sound profoundly ignorant! 🙂

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            And he is the expert – you are not. His views reflect the evidence and are consistent with almost EVERY astrophysicist. And that is why you still haven’t cited to ANY peer reviews publication that conclude that your god created ANYTHING.

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            you are so out to lunch! 🙂 what qualifications do you have to even enter this discussion? 🙂 you don’t seem to know anything of science, let alone to comment on physics or anything of this nature! 🙂
            For your information, there are numerous Christian astrophysicists who strongly disagree with everything that Sean Carroll is proposing when he clearly deviates from physics during some of his talks! 🙂
            also, Sean Carroll clearly contradicts himself numerous times! 🙂 but I don’t think you have the intellectual capacity to understand when he deviates from accepted physics! 🙂

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            I see the circus is still in town.
            Isn’t it interesting to think that there have been thousands of early questions about our universe that were once explained as “the work of god”. But as we became more educated and learned more about our world, those supernatural answers were replaced with real world answers. The interesting part of this however, is that during this time, NONE of those early questions were actually found to be the work of a god; “God” has NEVER turned out to actually be a correct answer to any question – EVER.

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            you are such a totally uneducated ignorant buffoon! 🙂 all of the reliable evidence points towards a creator! 🙂 did you even listen to that video that you sent me!? Your atheist preacher, Sean Carroll, was preaching that it was easier for a human brain to evolve out in space in the middle of nowhere, than it would be for an actual person to evolve! 🙂 what a laughing stock! I can’t believe that anybody could be this big of a moron! 🙂 these ideas have absolutely no scientific credit, and are absolute absurdity! 🙂

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            You should ask Dawkins for a raise!

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            You just need to keep making illogical absurd statements, that you have heard from an atheist preacher! 🙂
            You are a great example of what happens when a human mind thinks that it evolved from a rock! 🙂

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            The sad dishonesty continues… Apparently it is a Christian value.

          • Nogods

            I see that you are easily confused by complex ideas. That explains your simplistic explanation for the things that you don’t understand – MAGIC!

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            you can’t even understand simple concepts! Let alone complex principles! 🙂 you have bought in to a huge fairy tale from a materialist who is preaching his own brand of idiotic religion, but you aren’t smart enough to see when this “preacher” deviates from actual science! 🙂 it’s because you don’t know enough science and actual reality, to see when you’re being fed a whole bag of garbage! 🙂

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            Approximately one million peer reviewed publications are produced every year documenting research that is consistent with and supports evolution (Scientometrics. 2010 September 84(3); 575-603). Much of the research is conducted by god fearing religious folk. (July, 9th 2009 Pew research study.). You would think they would have an interest in disproving evolution and proving that their superstitious beliefs are true. Yet, there are ZERO peer reviewed publications supporting intelligent design/creationism/irreducible complexity or anything remotely resembling support for the idea that the universe was created by your god, with magic, about 6,000 years ago.

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            all of those totally ignorant peer reviewed articles that you have, we’re validated by atheist preachers! 🙂 there isn’t one shred of scientific evidence in any of those papers! Furthermore, it is a well known fact that the universe had a beginning from a point of singularity, approximately 13.8 billion years ago! 🙂 so get your facts straight, at least you might have one fact that you could use that has some credibility! 🙂

            God bless!
            -Jeff

          • Nogods

            So the only scientific facts you accept are the age of the universe and that it had a beginning! Lol! You are wonderful! Keep up the great work Jeff! The secular community thanks you!

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            No.!! The age of the universe and its cause are not the only things! You are an absolute buffoon on almost everything! 🙂 we haven’t even started to begin discussing genetics and mutations and all of these types of things! You are so far out of your league, you don’t even know how far out of bounds your thinking is! 🙂 you know almost absolutely nothing of actual science and physics and genetics! 🙂
            also, we haven’t even started discussing the arena of neuroscience! Sean Carroll is so far out of his league in this arena, he shouldn’t even be speaking about such things! 🙂

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            How much do you know about the universe mr. Science? Answer a few simple questions.

            1. The universe was created in what is commonly referred to as, what.

            2. In five words or less, describe how the sun works.

            3. How many Earth days are in a light year.

            4. Einstein is most famous for this equation.

            5. If a one gram McDonald’s hamburger could be converted into pure energy, how much energy would it release.

            6. Almost everything we know about the universe come from studying what.

            7. If the earth were compressed into a sphere the size of a marble, what would happen to it.

            8. How old is the universe.

            9. How old is the earth.

            10. What one word best describes why the moon doesn’t crash into the earth.

            11. In no more the one sentence, state why Pluto is no longer considered a planet.

            12. The visible universe comprises about 5% of the total mass of the universe. In three words or less, describe what the visible universe is made of.

            13. In five words or less, describe what the remaining 95% of the universe is made of.

            14. If our sun collapsed into a black hole, what would happen to the earth’s orbit.

            15. Einsteins greatest discovery regarding light was what.

            16. What is one thing the Big Bang and black holes have in common.

            17. If the moon revolves the earth, and the earth revolves around the sun, what does the sun revolve around?

            18. What makes the building blocks of everything that we know to exists.

            19. How large is a super massive black hole.

            20. What one word best describes the universe.

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            I hate to admit this to you, but I really like this post of yours! 🙂 Most of these questions are rather easy, but a couple I would have to look up to be completely accurate. 🙂
            I do want to make a couple of observations:
            1. In question #1, you admit that the universe was created. 🙂
            2. Question #3, must be a trick question? Because a “light year”, is distance. NOT time.
            3. In question #12, the visible universe is about 4.6%. It is made up of what we can observe because it interacts with light I think you wanted to know what the rest of the mass of the universe consists of? 23.3% dark matter, and 72.1% dark energy.
            4. How big is a supermassive black hole? 🙂

            Thanks! This stuff is fun! 🙂
            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            2 right out of 20 – not bad.

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            Ha! That was funny. 🙂
            The sun works by fusion. 🙂
            I know the rest. 🙂
            But, seriously, did you intend to make those mistakes on the 3 questions that I pointed out?

          • Nogods

            You are up to 3 out of 20. 11 more and you will at least earn an “F.” I am sure you know the rest of the answers; that is why you didn’t answer them. That makes sense.

            And there were no mistakes Jeff.

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            You intended to admit that the universe had a creator? 🙂
            You intended to ask me to solve a distance question, using time?
            You intended to ask me what the visible universe was made of?
            OK.
            Universe-13.8 billion years.
            Earth – 4.5 billion years.
            Hey, did you know that stars keep performing the fusion reaction until they fuse elements up to iron, and then they begin to develop an iron core. when that iron core becomes so big, the star then runs out of hydrogen and helium to fuse, and then the star implodes on itself and goes supernova! pretty cool. 🙂

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            “You intended to admit that the universe had a creator? :-)”

            No Jeff. Our universe was created during the expansion of a singularity.

            “You intended to ask me to solve a distance question, using time?”

            Yes, Jeff. It was a trick question. The answer is zero. You are as sharp as a tac.

            “You intended to ask me what the visible universe was made of?”

            Yes, Jeff. That was the question that you did not answer.

            “OK.
            Universe-13.8 billion years.
            Earth – 4.5 billion years.”

            Yep, two right mr. Science.

            “Hey, did you know that stars keep performing the fusion reaction until they fuse elements up to iron, and then they begin to develop an iron core. when that iron core becomes so big, the star then runs out of hydrogen and helium to fuse, and then the star implodes on itself and goes supernova! pretty cool. :-)”

            LOL! You really make me laugh Mr. Science! Just curious though, how does the stability of the iron nuclei affect energy absorption? And doesn’t beta absorption come into play or is that offset by the triple alpha process?

          • Nogods

            You know the rest? Really? Then why only answer 3?

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            Also, this guy is a joker on a lot of things as well. Some things he is simply being dishonest about. 🙂
            Some things you are going from science to your own religion! 🙂

            God bless!
            -Jeff

          • Nogods

            Like what?

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            This guy starts preaching his “religion”, on how he thinks the universe might have come into existence on its own, or by chance! 🙂 this is total absurdity!

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            Are you an astrophysists?

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            Let’s just say that I have great enthusiasm for this subject. 🙂

            God bless!
            -Jeff

          • Nogods

            Thank you for admitting that you are not an astrophysist. And remember, we were going to value and respect the expert opinions of those that are.

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            This “expert” ADMITS that he does NOT know how things all began, and he ADMITS that he does NOT know how we got all this “stuff” to have anything “pop” into existence in the first place! 🙂
            You are a total buffoon! 🙂
            Again, just because you can’t comprehend things, that doesn’t negate their truth! The universe did not pop into existence by random chance! 🙂

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            You keep coming up with conclusions about the universe which you have admitted you are not qualified to make. A smart person would see a problem with that.

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            I am as qualified, if not more qualified, than Sean Carroll, to make comments and conclusions about the origin and of the existence of the universe! 🙂 so again, you are extremely wrong with your simplistic illogical unfounded paradigms and propositions and assertions! 🙂

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            Lol! You should take your show on the road!

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Astrophysicist…Actually, you cannot accuse someone of not being what you are not familiar enough with to be able to spell it correctly.

          • Nogods

            Is that REALLY the smartest comment you could come up with?

            Jesus – 2,000 years… Still dead. Still not saving Christians from getting their heads lopped off. Still not healing amputees or anyone else. And still not talking. And that is why you feel the need to defend your god. Because we both know that if you don’t say anything, your god certainly won’t either. But rest assured, your god is in good company: Zeus and Thor never do or say anything either. Isn’t that funny?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Oh, you’re a real card all right. But in this pack, you are the Joker. It is your opinion the Jesus is dead. It is the opinion of the New Testament and nearly 2000 years of church history that Jesus resurrected from the dead and is very much alive. And you know what is really funny? Someday you will indeed bow before Him as King of Kings and Lord of Lords…wait, maybe that isn’t so funny.

          • Nogods

            “Oh, you’re a real card all right. But in this pack, you are the Joker. It is your opinion the Jesus is dead.”

            Isn’t it strange that YOU have to reassure me of this fact? Because we both know that a dead person would also need someone just like you to talk on their behalf just like you are doing right now.

            “It is the opinion of the New Testament and nearly 2000 years of church history that Jesus resurrected from the dead and is very much alive.”

            When you need an “OPINION” to determine whether someone is alive or dead, you can be pretty sure they are dead.

            As for the reliability of the church and their “opinions,” it is clear that the magical aspects of Christianity are obviously false. Here are simple facts you MUST ADMIT ARE TRUE:

            1. YOU MUST ADMITTED THAT AT LEAST SOME OF THE SUPERNATURAL CLAIMS MADE IN THE BIBLE ARE FALSE. This would include such things as the story of Adam and Eve and noah. If this is true, it places into question ALL supernatural claims. And the resurrection of Jesus is really the ONLY claim upon which his divinity is based.

            2. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT THE BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS OF THE RESURRECTION ARE INTERNALLY INCONSISTENT. This again is evidence that the accounts are unreliable.

            3. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT THE EARLY ROMANS REGULARLY DEIFIED MERE MORTALS. The early Romans were ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that men could become gods and gods could become men long before the time of Jesus. Early roman gods included Julius Cesar, Caesar Augustus, and Romulus. Almost ALL roman emperors were ultimately declared gods. This supernatural claim was bestowed upon virtually ANYONE who showed some type of special skill or authority. Thus, bestowing this title upon Jesus would be NOTHING unusual.

            http://www.academia.edu/2577051/How_Did_Roman_Emperors_Become_Gods_Various_Concepts_of_Imperial_Apotheosis

            And as it turned out, the early Romans were ABSOLUTELY WRONG about all these other gods. But these were the EXACT SAME people that claimed that jesus rose from the dead and proclaimed him a god, just as they had proclaimed many others before and after him. And just as these early Romans were ABSOLUTELY WRONG in their evaluation of the evidence as to the existence of all the other roman gods, they were ABSOLUTELY WRONG in their evaluation of the evidence about your god and his resurrection.

            4. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT THE EARLY ROMANS ERRONEOUSLY BELIEVED IN THE EXISTENCE OF MANY GODS. Romans were ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that Jupiter was a real god. They believed that for a thousand years, even in the face of uncontrovertibly evidence that their polytheistic beliefs were wrong. But as you must admit, the early Romans were ABSOLUTELY WRONG about all these other gods. But these were the EXACT SAME people that claimed that jesus rose from the dead and was a god. But this is the EXACT same claim they had made about many gods before him. And just as these early Romans were ABSOLUTELY WRONG in their evaluation of the evidence as to the existence of all the other roman gods, they were ABSOLUTELY WRONG in their evaluation of the evidence about your god and his resurrection.

            5. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT THE EARLY ROMANS ATTRIBUTED SUPERNATURAL EXPLANATIONS TO OBVIOUSLY NON SUPERNATURAL EVENTS. At the time jesus arrived, the early Roman culture was awash in erroneous supernatural beliefs. The early Romans attributed supernatural causes to natural events. This was typical of virtually all pre-modern cultures. The cultural acceptance of these beliefs was further reinforced by the government and were just a simple part of every day life. Thus, attributing a supernatural explanation to almost any event was nothing unusual. This would include attributing supernatural explanations to stories related to Jesus.

            6. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT THE STORIES DOCUMENTING THE RESURRECTION WERE NOT MEMORIALIZED UNTIL 30 TO 90 YEARS AFTER THE CLAIMED EVENTS HAPPENED AND INVARIABLY DO NOT ACCURATELY DOCUMENT THE EVENTS. Without a doubt, the oral tradition that perpetuated the stories was embellished and modified as it was passed along. The inconsistencies in the stories clearly demonstrates this.

            7. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT JESUS WAS NOT REGARDED AS A GOD DURING HIS LIFE TIME BUT WAS ONLY ELEVATED TO THAT STATUS DECADES AFTER HIS DEATH.

            8. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT THERE ARE NO EXTRA BIBLICAL ACCOUNTS OF THE RESURRECTION THOUGH THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF HIS PERSONA AND THE PENULTIMATE EVENT THAT MADE HIM A GOD. While there are extra biblical accounts referencing Jesus, NONE of them reference ANY supernatural aspects of his life. Though one would suspect that if they were true, they would have been the focus of any extra biblical accounts.

            9. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT CRUCIFIXION WAS COMMON IN THE EARLY ROMAN EMPIRE AND THAT ONLY ONE BODY EVIDENCING DEATH BY CRUCIFIXION HAS EVER BEEN FOUND. Detailed historical records document that during the early Roman Empire, THOUSANDS of people were crucified. And of those THOUSANDS that were crucified, only ONE body has EVER been discovered. If a missing body is evidence of resurrection, then THOUSANDS of other people have also rose from the dead.

            10. YOU MUST ADMIT THAT EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS ARE ONE OF THE MOST UNRELIABLE FORMS OF EVIDENCE. Empirical studies have consistently shown that eye witness accounts, while highly valued, are the most unreliable form of evidence. This is especially true when the claimed events occurred in the prescientific age and involve an uneducated and illiterate population easily swayed by claims of the supernatural. To this day, comparable indigenous populations are easily convinced of all kinds of comparably ridiculous claims. This fact is equally true of highly educated people living today.

            “And you know what is really funny? Someday you will indeed bow before Him as King of Kings and Lord of Lords…wait, maybe that isn’t so funny.”

            No, that is actually hilarious. Just remember – there are thousands of other gods you could worship but choose to reject. But your rejection of these other gods comes at a cost: all of these other gods intend to punish you when you are dead. So tell me how concerned you are about their impending wrath? Because that is the exact same level of concern I have about the impending wrath of your god. Pretty laughable isn’t it?

            Have you figured out yet that studying the trivialities of your doomsday cult has been a complete waste of your life?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            I “MUST” admit nothing of the sort. And if it is okay with you, I will continue to “waste” my life on believing in Jesus. If I am wrong, I have lost nothing. If YOU are wrong, well I guess I don’t need to tell you what that means…

          • Nogods

            Here is how the math actually works:

            Religious beliefs are overwhelmingly mutually exclusive. (I think there is only one religion that doesn’t make that assertion.) This means that if you believe in one god, you can’t believe in another. It logically follows that they all can’t be right. So there are only two possible outcomes: 1. at most, one is right, or 2. none are right. So let’s see how the math plays out.

            AT MOST ONE IS RIGHT:

            Now there are thousands of gods you could choose to worship. But to make the math easy, let’s just put a round number on it and say there are 1,000. Assuming that one religion is actually right, the chances that you are worshiping the right god is one in a thousand. So purely from a statistical point of view, everyone should expect to find themselves worshiping the wrong god and should expect to find themselves in hell.

            NONE ARE RIGHT:

            But if all the religions claim that they are right, and at most only one can be right, a reasonable person would suspect that they are all wrong unless there is some clear evidence to the contrary. Unfortunately, there has never been any evidence that any of them are right. That is why religion is a faith and not a science. So chances are, they are all wrong.

          • Nogods

            I just can’t figure out why anyone would choose to worship a god that threatens to torture you if you actually use the mind he supposedly has given you. Most people are opposed to sadistic dictators; you claim to have a “relationship” with one – and to love him.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            A mind can be used, and a mind can be abused. You are the only one who can judge, in your case, which it is. Remember the Bible said “The FOOL has said in his heart, there is no God.”
            And concerning sadistic dictators, “God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, the whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.” Yes, I do have a relationship with this God, and I love Him.

          • Nogods

            “A mind can be used, and a mind can be abused. You are the only one who can judge, in your case, which it is.”

            What traits would a brainwashed cult member have? Let’s see if we can list out a few and maybe we can talk about them. I will get you started with the numbering:

            1. A brainwashed cult member believes that _____.

            2. A brainwashed cult member believes that _____.

            3. A brainwashed cult member believes that _____.

            Keep going until you can’t think of any more.

            “Remember the Bible said “The FOOL has said in his heart, there is no God.””

            Well I am no fool! I know that there are THOUSANDS of gods! Here is a short list of gods you could choose to worship. Tell me what ones you think are real. But just remember – a fool has said in his heart, there is no god. So if I were you, I wouldn’t deny any of these gods. Angus, Belenos, Brigid, dana, Lugh, Dagda, Epona, Aphrodite, Apollo, Ares, Artemis, Atehna, Demeter, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Gaia, Hades, Hekate, Helios, Hephaestus, Hera, hermes, Hestia, Pan, Poseidon, Selene, Uranus, Zeus, Mathilde, Elves, Jesus, Eostre, Frigg, Hretha, Saxnot, Shef, Thuno, Tir, Weyland, Woden, Alfar, Balder, Beyla, Bil, Bragi, Byggvir, Dagr, Disir, Eir, Forseti, Freya, Freyr, Frigga, Heimdall, Hel, Hoenir, Idunn, Jord, Lofn, Loki, Mon, Njord, Norns, Nott, Odin, Ran, saga, Sif, Siofn, Skadi, Snotra, Sol, Syn, Ull, Thor, Tyr, Var, Vali, Vidar, Vor, Black Shuck, Herne, Jack in the Green, Holda, Nehalennia, Nerthus, endovelicus, Ataegina, Runesocesius, Apollo, Bacchus, Ceres, Cupid, Diana, Janus, Juno, Jupiter, Maia, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Neptune, Pluto, Plutus, Proserpina, Venus, Vesta, Vulcan, Attis, Cybele, El-Gabal, Isis, Mithras, Sol Invictus, Endovelicus, Anubis, Aten, Atum, Bast, Bes, Geb, Hapi, Hathor, Heget, Horus, Imhotep, Isis, Khepry, Khnum, Maahes, Ma’at, Menhit, Mont, Naunet, Neith, Nephthys, Nut, Osiris, Ptah, ra, Sekhmnet, Sobek, Set, Tefnut, Thoth, An, Anshar, Anu, Apsu, Ashur, Damkina, Ea, Enki, Enlil, Ereshkigal, Nunurta, Hadad, Inanna, Ishtar, Kingu, Kishar, Marduk, Mummu, Nabu, Nammu, Nanna, Nergal, Ninhursag, Ninlil, Nintu, Shamash, Sin, Tiamat, Utu, Mitra, Amaterasu, Susanoo, Tsukiyomi, Inari, Tengu, Izanami, Izanagi, Daikoku, Ebisu, Benzaiten, Bishamonten, Fu.kurokuju, Jurojin, Hotei, Quetzalcoatl, Tlaloc, Inti, Kon, Mama Cocha, Mama Quilla, Manco Capac, Pachacamac, Viracoc.ha, or Zaramama.

            There are thousands of gods one could choose to worship. You choose to worship just one. But your god really isn’t that special or unique. Most of the world doesn’t worship or believe in your god. And when you choose to believe in the supernatural, there are no limits on what is a god and what is not. Look at YouTube and you will see many other people that believe they are prophets of gods or gods with powers to heal, levitate, read minds…. These people and their claims are just as legitimate as your religious superstition – if you believe in the supernatural.

            “And concerning sadistic dictators, “God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son, the whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.””

            Jesus didn’t die for anyone’s sins. That is just a 1st century superstitious belief. From purely a logical point of view, you can’t hurt an all powerful god. And you certainly can’t kill one. So the whole death/resurrection was just an elaborate theatrical performance to entertain the delusional masses. If you weren’t a brainwashed member of a doomsday cult, this would not be difficult to understand.

            “Yes, I do have a relationship with this God, and I love Him.”

            Let’s keep working on that list of traits a brainwashed cult member has and then we will talk about it. I really think this will be good for you.

            In the interim, here is a simple yet interesting video:

            http://youtu.be/C10k2c2h44c

            See what you think.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Not much. Heard it all before.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Not much. I have heard it all before. But thank you for clarifying your position for me in such an entertaining way. And thank you for caring about what you think will be good for me. But since I appear to be a brainwashed cult member to you, it hardly seems practical to go to so much work to prove it to you. By the way, while you can’t hurt an “all powerful God”, you can hurt the One who was both God and Man.

          • Nogods

            “Not much. I have heard it all before. But thank you for clarifying your position for me in such an entertaining way. And thank you for caring about what you think will be good for me. But since I appear to be a brainwashed cult member to you, it hardly seems practical to go to so much work to prove it to you. By the way, while you can’t hurt an “all powerful God”, you can hurt the One who was both God and Man.

            I am disappointed that you didn’t come up with a list. I was thinking it could be therapeutic for you. Give it a go.

            “you can hurt the One who was both God and Man.”

            If I could hurt your god in ANY way, I would be more powerful than him.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Well, let us just say that God granted humanity the power to crucify His Son, but He granted His Son the power to rise from the dead.

          • Nogods

            So how many gods do you think are real? Two?

            From purely a logical point of view, you can’t hurt an all powerful god. And you certainly can’t kill one. So isn’t the whole death/resurrection story just an elaborate theatrical performance to entertain the delusional masses?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            No.

          • Nogods

            Wow, a polytheist.

            Not all-powerful. Not much of a god.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Mine is all-powerful. Very much of a God.

          • Nogods

            List five things that you think he does?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Astrophysicist…

          • Nogods

            Isn’t it interesting to contrast our sources of information: I choose to look for answers from the smartest, most educated segment of our population, who are performing the most cutting-edge research with the most sophisticated and technologically advanced tools humankind has ever created. You, on the other hand, choose to look for answers from 1st century bronze/Iron age nomadic sheep herders, who occupied a remote desert oasis, during the prescientific age, who spent an inordinate amount of time consumed with the measliness of sheep and goats, and who had no knowledge of such simple things as paper or the number zero.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            “Smartness” is a judgement call you are completely ill-prepared to make. Frankly, I’ll stick with sheep herders like David.

          • Nogods

            A smart person would realize that “smartness” is NOT a “judgment call.”

            Isn’t it interesting that about 95% of the worlds top scientists are atheists. About 65% of ordinary scientists are atheists. (1. Larson and Witham, Leading Scientists Still Reject God, Nature, Vol. 394, No. 6691, p. 313 (1998). 2. Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion (New York: Houghton Mifflin Company, 2006),pp. 126,127. 3. Alex Rosenberg, The Atheist’s Guide to Reality (New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 2011), p. vii. 4. Stephen Jay Gould. 1997. “Nonoverlapping Magisteria.” Natural History (March): 16–)

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Just goes to show that scientists don’t know everything.

          • Nogods

            They also don’t pretend to know everything. They leave that up to the religious.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Then they will be SOOOO disappointed to find that the religious don’t know everything either.

          • Nogods

            Then stop claiming that your god created the universe with magic.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            I don’t recall claiming anything about God creating the Universe with MAGIC.

          • Nogods

            Then how do you think he did it?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            I don’t know. Why is that so important to you?

          • Nogods

            Five hundred years ago “god” was a reasonable theory that explained our existence. That is the world you still live in. Thankfully, tens-of-thousands of scientists wanted to know the truth. So instead of just thinking that they had the right explanation, they went out and did some experiments to see if the theories they had were true. Because a quest for truth has always been a human endeavor.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            A quest for knowledge has always been a human endeavor. Not so much “Truth”. Scientists have a commendable search for knowledge, from which we have all benefited. Very few deal with that philosophical concept, Truth.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            The quest for knowledge has always been a human endeavor. The quest for truth, not so much. And you are correct, I still think God is the ultimate answer to our existence. But the concept “God created…” is more about source than process.

          • Nogods

            Do you think that Adam and Eve were real and the first humans?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Well, I’m sure that this will put me in your category of “raving Idiots”, but yes, I do.

          • Nogods

            Yep, you are now in the category. 🙂 So now tell me why you think that is true?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            I tend to trust the Genesis account of beginnings. This should confirm me in the category of “raving idiots” 😉

          • Nogods

            If scientific evidence showed you that the story was false, would you reject it?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Tens-of-thousands of scientists were, by-in-large, successful in their quest for knowledge. But “knowledge”, or “factual accuracy”, shouldn’t be confused with the philosophical quest for “Truth”, which, like “Love” and “Beauty” is a great philosophical construct. By the way, I don’t believe that what scientists have discovered has in any way denied the existence of God, although it may have expanded our appreciation of Him. And I enjoy talking with you, Nogods.

          • Nogods

            There are thousands of gods you could think were real. Why do you think yours is the one and only real one when you are CERTAIN all the others are fictional?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Perhaps because of my upbringing. Perhaps because of my seminary education. By the way, I’m not so certain the others are fictional. I just don’t believe any of them are the Creator God spoken of in the Bible.

          • Nogods

            Isn’t it odd that if are born in the US you are probably a Christian. But if you are born in a different country, there is a very good chance you worship a completely different god? But both groups of believers are equally certain that their god is the “right” god. So geography is the most important factor in determining religious certainties. That should make a reasonable person question their “beliefs” don’t you think?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Possibly. And I’ve questioned my beliefs before. But I came to the belief that the God revealed in the Bible was the Creator God of the Universe, and all Universes. And eventually, I went to seminary to be prepared to preach the Gospel. By the way, given the historical spread of Christianity, I don’t think that geography is ‘the most important factor in determining religious certainties” any longer.

          • Nogods

            Isn’t it odd to think that Christianity was strictly a regional religion confined to Europe for the first 1,500 years? Could your god have thought of a slower way to spread his word? Christianity was confined to Europe and the Americas for the next three centuries. Isn’t it odd that your god waited about 1,900 years to spread his word worldwide? Is that REALLY the best marketing effort the smartest force humanity has ever know could come up with?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            I do know that according to conventional belief, Thomas was the apostle to India. And that Northern Africa was quickly evangelized (remember Augustine). So the gospel was clearly not “confined to Europe and the Americas for the next three centuries.” I’m afraid I’m a little rusty on the spread of early Christianity, although I have a series of books on that subject in my library. I don’t pretend to know why God chose to do what He did — He just didn’t consult me.

          • Nogods

            Isn’t it odd how the spread of ALL religions is consistent with the spread of all information of human origin?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            I’m sure my upbringing had a lot to do with it, although my parents and I became Christians about a year apart. And I’m NOT certain that other gods are fictional. I just believe that the God of the Bible is the God of Creation and Salvation—the Lord of Lords and the King of Kings.

          • Nogods

            What other gods do you think might be real?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            I really don’t know, Nogods. I’m afraid it’s not really my area of expertise.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            As far as other gods, I don’t pretend to know.

          • Nogods

            Why haven’t you looked into the other gods? Maybe you have made the wrong choice. Islam promises eternal life AND 72 virgins. That is a much better bargain dont you think.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Sorry. I’m too tired to play right now. And “No, I don’t think it’s a better bargain.”

          • Nogods

            Why isn’t it a better bargain?

          • Nogods

            Tell me what “truth” philosophy has ever determined?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            I don’t think that philosophy is so concerned with “truths”, as with “Truth” in the abstract. I’m not sure that philosophy has ever determined a “truth” (no insult to Plato or Socrates).

          • Nogods

            So if “truth” is a philosophical construct that philosophy can never ascertain, why is it relevant other than for idle conversation?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            I believe that Christianity is the Truth, and I don’t believe that Christianity is a “philosophy…it is a “faith”.

          • Nogods

            Why do you believe that “Christianity is the “truth?” Because we have already concluded that philosophy cannot arrive at a truth. And faith (which is just wishful thinking) can never arrive at a truth. That leaves only empiricism. And empiricism says that your god is no more real than all the other gods you already know are fiction.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Well, Nogods, I don’t believe that faith is just wishful thinking. I believe that much truth has been revealed in ithe Bible and through history to those of faith. Thus, empiricism is in fact NOT the only thing left.

          • Nogods

            You are making an empirical claim as to the veracity of Christian. Here are the three pieces of evidence you give:

            1. “the internal consistency of the Bible.”

            2. “much truth has been revealed in ithe Bible”

            3. “much truth has been revealed… through history to those of faith.”

            If I could prove that these three pieces of evidence were wrong, would you no longer be a believer?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Well, Nogods, faith is not just “wishful thinking” and does not “arrive at Truth”, “empiricism” does not address my Christian faith, but you’re right that philosophy cannot arrive at truth. Now as to why I believe that “Christianity is the TRUTH”…well, that is a long discussion best left for another day.

          • Nogods

            Your comment makes no sense. There are three ways to evaluate or determine if something is real, or if it exists, or if a claim is true:

            1. Faith – you can just have “faith” that something is true. This IS the same as wishful thinking. You claim that it is not but you FAIL TO DEFINE IT AS ANYTHING ELSE. Faith requires no research, no evidence, no logical thought, nothing. As an example, I can have faith that purple fairies orbit the earth. If you ask me why I believe that, I just tell you “because I have faith they do,” or “because I said so,” or “because I think so,” or ” just because.” And that is where the conversation ends. But you have admitted that if we are interested in knowing whether my claim is true, “faith” cannot assist in making that determination.

            2. Philosophical argument – so I could devise a philosophical argument to prove the existence of purple fairies. I could claim that all invisible objects orbit the earth. Purple fairies are invisible. Therefore, purple fairies orbit the earth. But again, you have admitted that philosophical arguments cannot determine truth.

            3. Or you could use empirical tools to test the claim. You could look for purple fairies with telescopes, or microscopes, or use sensors, or see if the interest with electro magnetic radiation, or magnetism. This is what science does. But you claim that “empiricism” does not address my Christian faith.” So you have admitted that NONE of the three ways you could determine truth apply. What else is there? Or are you just confused?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            I really don’t care whether you think I am making sense or not, Nogods. But what is clear is that I’m wasting my time.

          • Nogods

            Why don’t you respond to my comment instead of just attacking me?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            I’m not attacking you. I simply believe that this conversation is going nowhere fast, and I have other things to do.

          • Nogods

            I think our conversation is interesting. Are the questions getting to hard? Because you stopped answering them.

            Just remember, the heart cannot embrace what the mind knows is nonsense.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            No. Honestly, your questions deserve good answers. I simply don’t have the time right now. And what my mind embraces is certainly not nonsense.

          • Nogods

            Is it nonsense for muslims to believe that when they die they will end up with 72 virgins?

            Is it nonsense to believe that throwing virgins into volcanos will appease the gods?

            Is it nonsense to think that dancing around a fire while chanting can make it rain?

            Is it nonsense to believe that if you think about something real hard, a magical force will read your mind and grant your wish?

            Is it nonsense to think that you will be sent off to live in some magical place just because you believe a particular god is real but that all those that don’t hold that belief will be tortured for eternity?

            Is it nonsense to think that the universe was created in 6 days, about 6,000 years ago, by a dead Jew that wondered around a remote desert in almost complete obscurity for about a year and a half while wearing sandals and a robe?

            Just wondering….

          • Matthew V. Brown

            If you had checked the record, the “dead” Jew wandered (not wondered) around the Holy Land for three (3) years. And in this instance, Ii don’t believe that it’s nonsense the the Father, through the Word, created the world and all that is in six “days” (Hebrew “yom” does not necessarily require a 24-hour day). Just sayin’….

          • Nogods

            “If you had checked the record, the “dead” Jew wandered (not wondered) around the Holy Land for three (3) years.”

            If you had checked the opinions of those that study the record, he wandered around for about 1.5 years.

            “And in this instance, Ii don’t believe that it’s nonsense that the Father, through the Word, created the world and all that is in six “days” (Hebrew “yom” does not necessarily require a 24-hour day). Just sayin’….”

            Your polytheistic views are unusual.

            I see we are back to interpreting that very vague and ambiguous book. Isn’t it odd to think that you could write a book infinitely clearer than the one dictated by the smartest force human kind has ever known?

            Isn’t it interesting that the Ten Commandments are the only part of the bible your god actually wrote himself – well, carved himself (or so the fictional story goes). Can you just imagine god chipping away at that stone with a heavy mallet? His brow all sweaty. His hands blistering. I am sure he was taking his own name in vain the whole time for undertaking the ridiculous task. And to add insult to injury, the whole carved stone thing turned out to be a very poor ideas: not only did Moses break the most important 10 laws humanity would ever know (which required god to pick up that cursed hammer and chisel again) but the second copy was lost, never to be found again. Oddly, most of the Ten Commandments violate the freedoms cherished by most civilized cultures. Now I am not saying I am smarter then your god, but I am smart enough to know that the whole stone tablet idea was a poor one to begin with and that if I had to make a list of the ten most important laws, 8 of your gods commandments would not be on my list.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Those that studied the record that I studied said three years, you evidently have a different “those’. Yes, the rest is interesting.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            The questions are not too hard. But they demand well thought out answers—and you deserve well thought out answers. Forgive me for my former glib response.

          • jeff

            Nogods, 🙂
            Wow! Stop being intentionally ignorant! 🙂 evolution doesn’t explain anything! Evolution is a joke! You don’t get life from a rock! What is wrong with you!? 🙂

            God bless!
            – Jeff

          • Nogods

            Jeff, what is a rock made of?

            What is a human cell made of?

            What is the difference between chemistry and biology?

          • Jonathan

            David said when he saw the wealth and the successes of the wicked that it almost caused him to fall. It’s easy to live a sinful life. Here’s another thing David loved Jonathan more than his love for women but, that doesn’t mean he was sexually attracted to him.Loving another another person of the same sex isn’t wrong. It’s when you have carnal thoughts toward someone of the same sex that it becomes wrong. You’re speaking of two different issues.

          • Karen

            You think you are better living “In the world” because you feel like you “fit in”, Jesus said that the people that didn’t believe in Him hated Him first, that they will surely hate us for believing in Him! We are only passing thru in this life for only a short time, would you rather “fit in” for a short time or “fit in ” for eternity? He gave us a choice!!

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Too bad. If you could not see the “positive” as a “Christian”, your blindness makes me question your “Christianity”.

          • James Johnson

            Your blindness in not seeing the damage such cults bring, is your blindness. It’s not enough to read and believe all the warm and fuzzy stuff. It’s called voluntary ignorance.

            Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

            ——– Original message ——–

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Oh, I do see the damage such cults bring. Don’t commit the sin of presumption, my friend. You really don’t know me well enough to do that.

          • James Johnson

            I asked you a question and you presumed that I made a presumption?

            Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

            ——– Original message ——–

          • Matthew V. Brown

            You spoke about “voluntary ignorance”…Oh, I see…you were not talking about me, then. Sorry I misunderstood your reference…

          • James Johnson

            LOL FAIL!

            Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

            ——– Original message ——–

          • Matthew V. Brown

            LOL FAIL! Need…more…content…

          • James Johnson

            Oh yeah. Here it is: THOU SHALT NOT PRESUME!

            Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

            ——– Original message ——–

          • Eva

            James Johnson…you can still be a Christian and not go to a fundamentalist church.

          • Christopher Allen

            I just love the way you all “quote” “scripture” to make it say what you want, not what GOD says! Apparently you all don’t believe in GOD’s Love!

          • Ken says

            Is B H Obama aka King Bo your brother – how does love one another fit there? Read the Bible and figure that one out.

          • papawfred

            Love your brother. Hate his sin.

          • scott

            you can love another human being and still not like the type of person they are or have anything to do with their anti christian ways.as you can kill them and still love them.evil people are not christians brothers or sisters,they are of satan.non believers brothers.we can feel sorrow and empathy for you because your blinded by evil and going to hell but no where does it say we have to put up with you.thats just liberal trash tryingf to use lines to their advantage.they need to read the whole passages ands bible and understand it,not make up their own understanding.

          • James Johnson

            And even those whom we call our enemy we are to love. Jesus . EVERY human being who EVER lived is gods own children whether they know it or not. According to your bible.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            Thats true however in the Book of Romans it is also said IF AT ALL” POSSIBLE ” live peacefully with everyone KEY words – if Possible.

          • Christopher Allen

            But, you are doing the same thing that you say others should not be doing! Plus, you are judging! I will Pray for you! GOD created us ALL, and JESUS died for us ALL!

          • scott

            why do you think god gave us the holy spirit.to be able to tell who good and whos not,.only liberal idiots call it judgeing,its called common sense.you can be a liberal and you can be a christian,but you cant be both retard.

          • Peatro Giorgio

            My brother let us be the light with our words actions,and deeds. Let us take our anger to God and Not allow it to detract from His Love and His glory. If the falling ones do not wish to hear, then who are we to punish or push them in the right direction. For they have chosen to be foolish with their lives and die an eternal death. Just repeat Christ word’s to Satan. Be off with you satan. You shall not deceive me and take from me that which Christ has given.

          • Redfox007

            Ken, and others who read this and come along with this misused Verse of Scripture:

            That verse is speaking to Peter, who was a Follower of Jesus, and a Christian. When Peter asked the question, he said “my brother”. Well, anyone not of Christ is not a Brother of the Christians. Obama is NOT a Christian!! He is a Heathen, Islamist who has stated he is Muslim.

            The only ones to bereferred to as our Brothers are Christians. Real ones.

          • Dot

            AMEN!!! Once again…..Well said!!

          • Ken says

            what about all the other 762 references to love one another.

          • Christopher Allen

            Exactly! They don’t pay attention to those, they just want to try to prove how pious they are!

          • James Johnson

            BS

          • Christopher Allen

            Are you real? Have you not judged anyone, have you never sinned, everyday, in some way?

          • Irene Elizabeth Grooms

            I think you can love your brother but not like what he or she is period.

          • Ken says

            That sounds very Christian and also in keeping with the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, You are entitled to your Rights and your brother/sister are entitled to their Rights.

          • signdoc

            Nowhere in the Constitution does it say anything about Marriage. But it is of Gods Scripture. There for Government is bring Religion into Government, not Separating it

          • Ken says

            Your first sentence covered the whole subject. All the babble that follows is BS and probably sought by your Church. The Revolution was fought over a religious government (the Church of England) – The Constitution was written to be sure that would never happen in the USA. Clearly religion is not provided for in government but is a Right to freedom of Religion for all Citizens. Why can’t you enjoy your religion and let the rest of the Citizens enjoy their Rights. You are not and NEVER will be the grantor of Constitutional Rights – man up and get on with your life.

          • Christopher Allen

            Thank you Ken! Couldn’t have said it better myself! But do you think all of these wanna be “christians” will believe anything except what they want?

          • Ken says

            Thank you Chris. Just like a Liberal you keep exposing them to facts and reality in the hope that bits and pieces of truth gets through.

          • Christopher Allen

            Your comment makes no sense!

          • James Johnson

            Wrong. I love my sister although she smokes. I would still lay my life down to save hers. It snot what he/she is but does. She smokes I don’t like it but it is her body after all. I could express my dislike of the habit but my default for peace requires me to not be offensive. SO therefore she is practicing free will and I am practicing peaceful non confrontational practices. I have to accept her for who she is, whether she be straight or nay.

          • Irene Elizabeth Grooms

            What i meant was you might not like what they do but you’ll always love no matter what. I have some in my family that i don’t like what they do but i’ll always love them I guess we should never judge any one for who they are or what they do.

          • Lester Peoples

            A professed Islam cannot be a Christian brother! Are you familiar with Any of the bible?

          • Christopher Allen

            Are you? Really? What does what you said, have anything to do with anything that Ken has said! I see that you are “grasping for straws”, and they are all “out of your reach”!

          • Christopher Allen

            So, you refute the commandment that says to Love one another, as we would be Loved?

          • WishIWuzACropDuster

            Amen!!

            Gal 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—
            Gal 1:7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.
            Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
            Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
            Gal 1:10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.
            Gal 1:11 For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man’s gospel.
            Gal 1:12 For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

          • This preacher needs to reads again about Sodom and Gomorrah and the need for a minimum of righteous people. God has NO tolerance for homosexuality. He tolerates it for just so long and then comes down with both feet to obliterate communities who choose that life style. It takes a lot of righteous people to prevent such action. Due to the present day spread of homosexuality it is going to take more than five righteous people to stave off utter destruction.

          • preacher bill

            I agree, I think it was Ruth Graham that said if God doesn’t judge America because of this sin, He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah. Rom: 1:26 ” For this cause God gave them up to vile affections; for even their women did exchange the natural use for that which is against nature , V 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned their lust toward another , men with men, working that which is unseemly..

          • preacher bill,
            Lev. 18:18-22and I Cor. 6:9-10 are specifically clear on this issue. So are Lev. 20:13, Rom. 11, 36-38. These verses specifically condemn homosexual activity. As such, the Bible is quite clear that homosexuality is condemned by God. The great flood as well as Sodom and Gomorrah are the two times God really cracked down on this kind of behavior. While He said he would not repeat the great flood he is not opposed to taking down entire communities who engage in such activities. I suspect the rapture and Second Coming are coming sooner than many think. Let’s see what message we get from God concerning the blood moons. I agree with those who think something major is about to happen by October.

          • preacher bill

            Jerry we are on the same page. I have written a book on creation
            and in it I have discussed the Sons of God and the daughters of men that died in the flood. My opinion of who the Sons of God were, you might be interested in my answer.
            you can e-mail me for a free on line reading of the manuscript.
            at [email protected]

          • preacher bill,
            I would love to read your book. I see the Old Testament as a genealogy of the Jewish people and not a history. But I am definitely in the creation camp. I grew up in the Idaho wilderness and learned first hand by myself that creation was behind the foundation of the planet. Creation is behind the whole universe.

          • preacher bill

            Send me your e-mail and I will down load the manuscript. What I do in the book is trace the lineage of Abraham, after I get that far in the scriptures, some 30,000 words. One question I put forth in the creation. How long did Adam and Eve living in the garden before they fell? Did they have any children before they fell?
            You will be amused at my comments.
            E-mail me at my E-mail. I can also down load you some sermons that I have preached. I grew up in the red hills of Ga. I used to say that the land was so poor we had to fertilize the mail box to get a letter.
            I Will be 88 in august, but God has giving me a good mind, I have a good education, got it the easy way, working, putting my self through all the studies, pastor of churches, starting my sophomore year, and continued , until I had my doctorate in theology. I think that has helped me. And have all through the years done a lot of writings. Preacher Bill Taylor
            [email protected]

            William Taylor

          • preacher bill,
            Here is my email address. [email protected]

          • preacher bill

            Send me your e-mail to [email protected] and put your name as the subject in the subject box . I will down load the book to you.
            preacher Bill

          • Matthew V. Brown

            Homosexuality IS the judgment, preacher bill.

        • Injun Trouble

          Is this the Joseph Toth of Grey Iron ???

      • Jack Van Gorder

        Or any and all TV evangelists. All are con men extrordinaire. My favorites are Joel Osteen and Peter Popoff (I especially like his surname).

        • Be Thechange

          Mr. Gorder, if you are a believer, which I do not know. Be careful in your judgments of “ALL TV Evangelists” Joel and Peter among them, as you are not their judge. I don’t know Peter, but I knew Joel’s Dad well – truly a man of God, and I know Joel to have a heart for souls. I also know like me, you, and almost every other believer he has opened his mouth and said things with which I have heard in context and with which I felt uncomfortable. Mr.Bell’s comments taken in context however fly in the face of scripture. Most of Joel’s critics take quotes out of context and pour gasoline on the fire. Believers are to pour water on the fire of slander and gossip. Not only unrepentant homosexuals, but gossips, talebearers, and all liars have reservations in the lake of fire.

          • Jack Van Gorder

            Joel is a con man. He fleeces all of those poor souls who are so gullible as to send him money. He lives a lavish life style and has millions in his personal bank accounts. He laughs at you and sheep like you who attempt to defend him, erstwhile, you would have to come to grips with the truth. Believe me, God will settle the score. What Osteen says, I could care less about. And Popoff performing his “healing miracles” is hilarious.

          • Be Thechange

            I’ve seen scam evangelists. They sure do exist. I don’t know Popoff. God will indeed settle the score. My concern for you is that you aren’t on the end of His “judgement stick”. Jesus said: “Do not judge lest you be judged, for with the same judgement you judge, you will be judged.”

            Your derisive comments toward me as a “sheep” are directed to one who has had the privilege of hazarding my life for the Gospel on numerous occasions. Forgive me for saying so, but you write like an “armchair quarterback” and a backseat driver.

            God bless you, and watch your mouth.

          • Jack Van Gorder

            How this works. You initially engage me by commenting on my comment which opens up a discussion originated by you. I am not “judging” anyone. I simply stated obvious FACTS. Not opinions, but FACTS. God likes FACTS. Which fact(s) so you dispute?

          • Christopher Allen

            Your’s! You have none!

          • Jack Van Gorder

            Terse but hardly cogent.

          • jmortensen

            Just heard McGee talking about the wickedness of the human tongue .. Guard your speech lest it lead you astray .. GOD will deal with scammers !
            McGee’s messages are right in tune with what’s happening in this Nation today .. and he has been in Heaven with GOD and JESUS for many years

          • Christopher Allen

            So if you just listened to him; how has he been in Heaven with GOD and JESUS?

          • Matthew V. Brown

            You talking about J. Vernon McGee?

          • Christopher Allen

            And, you are the biggest joke! Joel is honest, and anyone that gives to him, gives to GOD! So he lives in a nice place; that is what GOD want’s for us all, but, people like you, don’t deserve it because you are jealous of those that GOD has blessed!
            Go ahead and listen and believe your hell and damnation; the GOD that i know, the ONLY GOD, Loves me and want’s the same for me; i just don’t want it! If i had all the riches in the world, i would be broke tomorrow because i would give it all to HIM in helping those that need it; unlike you, that only knows how to criticize! I will Pray for you!

          • Jack Van Gorder

            You sure like to argue with everyone. For what reason escapes me. Please waste your prayers on someone more needy. Joel is FAR from being “honest”. Did you enjoy the recent news article of the $600,000 he had lying around his palatial estate? Wake up!

          • James Johnson

            Nice guy your god.

          • Christopher Allen

            James, HE is your’s as well, it’s just that so many have distorted who, and what HE is, and i don’t blame you for your view, but, i hope you can realize that HE Loves you, just as much as HE does me or anyone else! There are way too many that have “distorted” GOD! And that is why so many have “turned” away from HIM! I am “Gay”, and i know that HE loves me just as much as HE does anyone else, and no one can change that fact!

          • Christopher Allen

            You are so right about Joel! He isn’t like the “old time” preachers! He tells the great things about GOD and JESUS, not the “hell and damnation”, like Jack Van Gorder would rather hear, so he can go
            on about his “damning” and criticizing!

        • Matthew V. Brown

          Jack, Billy Graham’s meetings were often televised. And I, for one, do not believe he was a con man extraordinaire.

          • Jack Van Gorder

            I agree, though the verdict is still out on his son. I used to listen to Billy in the late 50’s driving back to the base on Sunday nights. I hold him in high regard.

      • Ken says

        Jones sure does and so does Pat Buchanan Religious zealots always try to control who getts the US Constitutional Rights. You have the right to your religion as does Every American Citizen.

        • James Johnson

          Or lack of.

          • Christopher Allen

            James, i totally understand about your view point of religion, and church! All i want you to know, is that i Love you as my Brother, and GOD and JESUS do as well! Just be the wonderful person that you, apparently are!

        • jmortensen

          Last time I looked GOD loves us all .. BUT ! that doesn’t mean we all get a pass to Heaven .. We must also believe in Jesus Christ .. HE is the ONE who Died on that cross for our salvation !

      • Stan Hoffman

        ipsd48, Jim Jones didn’t have a bible period. He had a cult based on his own wild imaginations.

        • Christopher Allen

          Yep, just like today’s “organized religions”!

          • Stan Hoffman

            Christopher, I could care less about “organized religions.” Jesus warned that there would be many false prophets, teachers, and churches. Doesn’t surprise me that there are plenty who follow them. But then, as they are deceived in following them, so are you deceived in thinking that it makes them a Christian. On the final day of judgment, the only thing God is going to care about is your life and whether you worked out your salvation with Him. Won’t matter what church you went to, how much prayer, ect., you did, it will only matter did you get your heart prepared for Him. And bad mouthing the fakes isn’t going to get your heart prepared for the Lord. I seem to remember your name from before. Were you the one who had the homosexual love problem?

    • Barrustio

      In any sense of the word, orthodox or otherwise

    • Linda Shelton

      He needs our prayers, he has lost his way and is looking at the world, not God.

      • charlie

        better check what the bible says about his kind.

        • Linda Shelton

          I know what it says, but Paul wants us to pray for them. Maybe Satan has two tight a hold, but if not, God can bring him back into the fold.

          • Cheryl

            Thank you, Linda. Yes, we are to pray for them. Thanks for sharing!

          • charlie

            that is the church of man stand, contrary to scripture

          • James Johnson

            The bible says women should shut the hell up. What is it with you Christian women?

          • Cheryl

            James Johnson, that is a lie. If you are referring the the Scripture that says that women are to remain silent in churches, then feel free to quote it correctly and in context.

          • Christopher Allen

            No matter, it applies!

          • ort

            Stop speaking with the jawbone of an ass.

          • Christopher Allen

            Do you mean like you?

          • ort

            Lame. In fact, that was so lame I’m thinking of hiring Jerry Lewis to run a telethon to help that lame comment.

          • Christopher Allen

            James, just give it up! don’t even try to reason with idiots!

          • Christopher Allen

            You need to pray for yourself!

          • Cheryl

            Actually, I do pray for myself! Thanks for reminding me. I pray for the Holy Spirit to direct me, to guide me, to help me respond rather than react, to show others love instead of hate, to lay down the harshness of this world, to remember that the BEST is yet to come!

          • charlie

            you are totally wrong, Paul says to turn such a one as this over to the devil for the destruction of his flesh and NOT to pray for them

          • James Johnson

            That’s love right there!

          • charlie

            actually it is the ultimate act of love— loving him enough to not care if he hates you for following scripture on his behalf

          • Christopher Allen

            Yeah, their kind of Love, not our’s or GOD’s!

          • James Johnson

            The bible says shut up woman!

          • Cheryl

            I will just keep repeating this reply for you to read…I see that you claim to be an EX-Christian. Why do you even care to
            pretend that you believe in the Bible? Stop lying to people with your
            unkind words.

          • Christopher Allen

            Why don’t you stop judging and using the words you want to use to try to prove your sick point? Most of you on here haven’t a clue of GOD, and what you are saying is only driving people away from GOD’s true Love!

          • Cheryl

            Once again, you are bent on being rude. I haven’t had anyone else on here telling me that I’m driving people away from God’s love. I responded to James Johnson because he was making personal attacks on several women who commented. I looked up his profile, he claims to be an EX-Christian. I didn’t pull that out of a hat. He claims that he is an EX-Christian, and it is very clear by his comments that that is true. I guess that you feel it is okay for him to say “shut up woman”, but if I reply to his comments, then you get upset. Seriously, where are you coming from? Why is it so important to comment on all my posts? However, I hope you have a good day today.

        • James Johnson

          His kind? You mean love one another kind?

          • charlie

            no I mean false teachers leading the sheep astray

      • James Johnson

        The bible says women should shut the hell up.

        • Be Thechange

          Mr. Johnson, respectfully, perhaps you should reread your Bible and not misquote my God. Yes He is a righteous and merciful God, or “nice” as you put it, but He is also a God of justice and judgement. And you, are neither god nor judge. Your reference about “women keeping silent in the church” referred to the fact that since, at the time, culturally women and men sat in different locations in the synagogue/church – God fearing women would turn toward their husbands to seek affirmation or denial of what was being said and it created a chaotic environment, which did not honor God. Ergo, “women shut the hell up” is not precisely a quote from any translation i know of, unless of course you have such a translation. God bless you (the nice one).

          • James Johnson

            Nice try in making the bible say what you want it to say.

            Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

            ——– Original message ——–

          • Christopher Allen

            Isn’t that what all “religions” do? Come on man, you can’t talk truth to these people!

          • ort

            Correct.

          • Christopher Allen

            NOT!

          • Cheryl

            Hey, Christopher Allen….

          • ort

            What are you, like, 12???

          • Christopher Allen

            I am so glad that you and the others on here, think you “know GOD”! YOUR GOD? You are such a hypocrite! There is only ONE GOD, and HE doesn’t “belong” to you! HE is GOD, HE created us ALL, and HE Loves us ALL! Too bad you don’t agree with that!

          • Cheryl

            Hello again, Christopher…

        • Cheryl

          I see that you claim to be an EX-Christian. Why do you even care to pretend that you believe in the Bible? Stop lying to people with your unkind words.

          • Christopher Allen

            And, stop lying saying you are a Christian!

          • Cheryl

            Hi Christopher Allen.

    • Peatro Giorgio

      Scripture say we are not to judge. It doesn’t say however we are to be idiots, foolish enough to follow Satan. This man one of Satan’s minions is exactly why Christ Church body Needs to stand up an speak out. Let not the wipers of evil crumble the walls God built.

      • Dot

        Oh WOW. WHEN are people going to STOP saying that Christians cannot JUDGE. WHO is it that does not want you to judge? Answer: SATAN AND THOSE WHO ARE PRACTICING SIN!!! Scripture says, “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” It continues on, to say….”BUT IF YE JUDGE, JUDGE RIGHTEOUSLY.” Conveniently, most people never finish these verses. We ARE to judge, but there are conditions to the judging. If we are practicing SIN, then we are in no place to judge another, as that is judging in an “unrighteous” manner. Anyone that studies diligently, knows that we are COMMANDED to judge what comes out of a Pastors mouth, as well as their ACTIONS. We are to stand up to these LIARS who are FLEECING GOD’S PEOPLE, and CALL THEM OUT ON THEIR SIN. I have done this, and the Pastor did not listen, and put me down for calling him out. Well, less than a month later, the CHURCH FOLDED. I KNEW I was doing what God called me to do. I warned them TWICE, and then got out of that church, that was following TODD BENTLEY, just ANOTHER false so-called “preacher.” STUDY PEOPLE, so that you are not lead astray, by these “grinning” FALSE Pastors, who would NEVER say the word, “HELL”, OR WARN YOU ABOUT YOUR SINS. A Pastor who loves the flock, will NOT lead them astray….will NOT “fleece” them for their money…..and above all else, WILL NOT SAY THE BIBLE DOES NOT MEAN WHAT IT SAYS. These “pastors” cannot straddle the fence, and please God. Pastors will be judged of GOD, in a more harsh way, than lay people. Why? Because they lead those who are on the “Milk of the Word”, astray.

        • Peatro Giorgio

          Hello brother I Guess You missed my point. I had been short on time. So I left to those with the ears to hear an the heart to understand . What it is that we are an are not suppose to practice. Righteous Judgement seems not to be a Word understood by many. Thank you for completing what I was Unable.

          • Christopher Allen

            Just, another “pious” one! Hate to tell you, but “dot” i think, is a sister, but, you seem to have a problem saying that!

          • Peatro Giorgio

            Thank you for pointing out how you through x-ray vision may see who is in what form God created. Here on this sight I on the other hand was not granted such a Gift of X-ray vision. Now I understand your depth of anger.for it is at every turn you find your words being countered by Gods word. I pray one day God shall bring you to your knees. I hope when He the great judge shall have mercy on you and May you finally open your ears and heart to His word and not that which tickles your ears.

          • Cheryl

            Excellent comment!

          • Peatro Giorgio

            Thank you Sister !
            I hoped that my comment was taken as a bit of silly sarcasm.
            With a bit of Gods truth.

          • Cheryl

            Oh Christopher, you are so getting so good at speaking your mind on here!

        • Christopher Allen

          I didn’t even have to finish reading your “rant” because that is all that is was! So you are righteous? So you are saying that you aren’t a sinner? But, what get’s me most, is that you “glorify” yourself in thinking that you “shut that church down”?
          Whoa, i think you have been drinking the milk, not of GOD, but of a goat!
          You should be ashamed of yourself; but, i am sure you are uncapable of doing so!
          May GOD have mercy on you!

          • Dot

            What is the matter, Christopher. Why can’t you comprehend what you read? I NEVER said that I am “righteous.” YOU LIE. I NEVER said that I am not a sinner. YOU LIE AGAIN! I NEVER got “glory” in myself for “thinking that I shut that church down.” It was GOD that shut that church down. They were following “signs and wonders” which the Bible teaches against. The Pastor was taking them to a so-called Revival, where Todd Bentley was doing his theatrics. DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TODD BENTLEY? Well, go look up Todd Bentley, FALSE PREACHER, under GOOGLE. Do your home-work before you make such STUPID accusations. I loved the Pastor of my church and all the members that went there. I was one of the last ones to leave, as the others saw that the pastor was teaching the same FALSE TEACHINGS that Todd was teaching. I stayed and WARNED THE PASTOR, that he is to not lead the sheep in a path that was EVIL. Do you know that Todd Bentley was holding a Revival in Orlando, during this time, and having an affair with a woman in the choir, during this time? Did you know he was cheating on his WIFE WHO HAD CANCER? Did you know that he was teaching FALSE DOCTRINE? Do you know that it was PROVEN that he falsely claimed to heal people? NEXT TIME, STUDY YOUR BIBLE, AND ALSO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU BABBLE ON WITH YOUR STUPIDITY. NO, I am NOT ashamed of myself, for speaking out against my fellow brothers and sisters, being bused to this FALSE REVIVAL. I would do it again in a heart-beat! NO, it was not an easy thing to do, to stand up for what the Bible says for Christians to do, but I did it!! I did as Scripture says and warned the “flock.” The Pastor would not listen when I talked to him, thus, GOD SHUT THAT CHURCH DOWN. He realized his MISTAKE, to late. Now, it is YOU, who needs God’s “mercy.” I am saved, and on my way to heaven. WHAT ABOUT YOU, CHRISTOPHER? DO YOU KNOW HIM AS YOUR SAVIOR? BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS, YOU DON’T!!!!

          • Peatro Giorgio

            Sister be careful for we know not what tomorrow brings ! Our plans are not always God’s Plans. To proclaim one is or is not going to heaven, is a bit prideful , And you and I both Know God hates more than anything pride.

          • Cheryl

            Now Christopher, I’m sure you didn’t me to be unkind in your last two sentences to Dot. It just comes across that way when you type, right?

      • Christopher Allen

        And, What man are you talking about! When did GOD appoint you judge; HE didn’t; watch your words! There are too many so called “churchs” that have “stood up” and spouted pure nonsense! No matter how much you, and others try to ignore it, GOD IS LOVE, and there is nothing you can say or do that will change that! Now go ahead and believe in whatever you want, for you sure aren’t believing in the ONE TRUE GOD!

        • Peatro Giorgio

          So it is noted you choose to follow false profits. While in the same breath accuse me of being judge mental. Pity is the fool who has not the ears to hear an the heart to listen. Maybe Just maybe I stead of acting as a petulant child , when reading what is written next time you read more slowly more deliberately an then think about what is actually being said or implied. That is what a Faithful follower of Christ should do. THINK.

    • sandy

      Matthew, i so agree with you.

    • WishIWuzACropDuster

      Amen. He is an emissary of Satan.

      2Co 11:13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, fashioning themselves into apostles of Christ.
      2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for even Satan fashioneth himself into an angel of light.
      2Co 11:15 It is no great thing therefore if his ministers also fashion themselves as ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works.

      The Bible is a relevant today as it was when first penned by the miraculously inspired writers. Anyone who would discount the Bible to any degree cannot honestly call themselves any kind of Christian.

    • frawgeyz

      Just say, “the Lord rebuke you” and shake the dust Matthew.

      • Matthew V. Brown

        Thank you, frawgeyz.

        • frawgeyz

          God Bless Matt!

          • Matthew V. Brown

            God bless you, too!

          • frawgeyz

            😉 Thanks.

          • Matthew V. Brown

            You’re most entirely welcome, frawgeyz!

    • Don Hill

      As a Christain and boasting about being a graduate, didnt they teach you love n humility, claiming someone is not a Christain is not your call to make, you dont really need to agree with him. God can use anybody he chooses, like or not, wither you think hes right or wrong is beside the point. Maybe you should share your views about the church by responding to his comments, in a more humble way

  • EdChoate

    In a very near future 90% of the so called Christian pastors will preach the same biblical corrupted message pastor Bell preaches now. Pastors like him are destroying the American Christian Culture with their democratic liberal compromising messages making America becoming more like the ungodly European countries. Now is time for real born again Christians to speak out against the infidels and start living a true God honoring life.

    • ort

      Laodicea is in full swing.

      • Americans Wake Up

        2 Timothy 3: 1-7

        1But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, 4treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. 6For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, 7always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
        Sure starting to look like the last days to me.

        • ort

          Amen. We are definitely going to hear the voice of our Lord very, very soon.

          • Christopher Allen

            And, you should listen very close, because apparently you haven’t yet!

          • Cheryl

            Christopher, thank you for letting us know your thoughts.

          • ort

            Really, are you that dense? I was speaking of the Rapture of the Church. HOW do you find the door to get out of the house in the morning???? Oy.

        • papawfred

          Sounds like Obumer and his followers and all of government from the city dog catcher to the fraud in the oval office.

        • Christopher Allen

          Then that means we should stay away from you, and all the other hypocrits on here! May GOD have mercy on your souls! You don’t believe, you want to control! The only, that will ever control me is the one true GOD, the only GOD!

          • Cheryl

            I am also grateful that God is in control. Thank you for the kind reminder.

    • Americans Wake Up

      The church is moving toward a social “Christianity” ( if it can even be labeled Christianity) and away from what the Creator ordained. There is nothing Christian nor Pastoral about Rob Bell. May God have mercy on his soul and bring him to repentance before it is too late. His accountability for misleading his congregation will weigh heavy at judgment time.

      • charlie

        its there already there . they lead the gullible to themselves and the bondage that Jesus delivered us from. Not to Christ is what a Christian will do.

        • Christopher Allen

          Do you mean, like all the people on here, stomping on anything that isn’t their belief of GOD?

      • Christopher Allen

        May GOD have mercy on your soul for your judgement!

        • Peatro Giorgio

          Christopher You my brother are rejecting Some very very Good Consul I have watched and read some very sound advice being given. Yes it is also true some quite derogatory comments being wrongly directed back and forth. I would tend to believe it comes from the hearts of those who truly Love Christ and truly hate Satan, Some of their methods are wrong, so to it can be said of my own. Question what makes you think you are no different. Will you not without temptation of anger. just once open your heart and mind and listen attentively. While with the same passion for Christ express with love your reasons for what you may now believe. Then maybe all can step back and Listen and Hear Gods word. And not the word so falsely given by corrupt false prophets and preachers

        • Cheryl

          Thank you for asking God to have mercy on the souls of the people on this board. It is very kind of you, Christopher Allen.

    • Barrustio

      I’m afraid we may have to build our own modern catacombs

    • charlie

      not Christian pastors, christian (churchianity) pastors

    • Christopher Allen

      HMMM! You sound like a muslim! Infidels?

      • Cheryl

        You sure like this board, Christopher Allen.

    • Peatro Giorgio

      Let us Not set blame solely on the False prophets, pastors it is a requirement to read and Know the word of God therefore the blame also rest on those who fail to read, hear an heed God’s word.

  • Athanasios1

    Somewhere in The Old Testament, the Torah said that Sodom and Gonnorrah was destroyed by God because people there were sinning by having and accepting unnatural sex as though it was natural or Okay. Sounds like the United States and its’ gay marriage policies promoted by federal judges in the name of happiness by the mentally deranged sexual deviants that have come out of the closet and their sanity. So who is to blame? The judges or this weirdo pastor?

    • charlie

      and this legislation will cause the end of the USA unless repented of and removed.

    • Reflect

      Both are to blame. Obuma and the Democrats are to blame for putting these liberal judges and evil men into office.

    • John Knapp

      Not only was Sodom and Gmorrah homosexual hot spots, when GOD sent HIS angels to the cities to destroy them, they were invited by Lot to stay overnight. The homosexual men of the town, came to Lot’s house and DEMANDED that he send the 2 men outside so that they could have sex with them! The men ( angels ) caused those men to go blind and confused so that Lit could get back inside his home. The next day, Lit and his family were led away by the angels, and as soon as they were safe, they were warned not to look back, and the towns destroyed by GOD. LOT’S wife DID look back, and was immediately turned into a pillar of salt.
      It’s ALL right there in the 1st book of GENESIS

  • Tim Culver

    He may not have lost his mind, but he has lost his way. He is on the way to losing his eternal salvation. Here’s how I know; in the last chapter of the Book of Revelation, John, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit stated that “…if any man shall take away from the words of this book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life…”. May he repent from his false teaching and return to the true path. He is leading those who follow his teaching into perdition.

    • calvinsibert

      If a person is saved, it is eternal, period.You cannot lose your salvation,if you could it wouldn’t be eternal. You can however lose your fellowship with God if you live in unrepentant sin,and in extreme cases The Lord will take a person home prematurely,but eternal salvation is just that, eternal. In this case, I would advise praying for Bell’s salvation,because a man is known by his fruits.

      • Tim Culver

        Your argument is not with me, it is with what God’s word says. “If ANY man shall take away …”. Use scripture in your argument and maybe I’ll hear you. Your comments about getting taken home early sound great, but false teachers and those who distort the Word of God are in some serious trouble. David, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, said in Psalm 138:2, “…for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.” Perhaps that’s the source for the dire warning in Revelation against distorting ‘the words of the book of this prophecy…’ . When He says He’ll take away a person’s name from the book of life, it sounds suspiciously like losing ones eternal security.

  • Linda Lee

    He’s been taken by Satan.

    • Peter Osborne

      Yes, he’s playing right field with his right shoulder against the left field foul pole. Wait, maybe it is taken with the satin, you know, the really great satin that some make clothes from…..:-)

    • charlie

      better read james 1:12 -on that is not what it says, it says he has been enticed by his own evil desires

      • ort

        Spot on!

        • Christopher Allen

          And you as well?

          • Cheryl

            Oh no, just you, Christopher Allen.

      • Christopher Allen

        Love the way you read into! So i guess you, also are righteous?

        • Cheryl

          Oh my, my, my Christopher Allen.

    • Christopher Allen

      So, i guess you are Christ? I don’t even know who you people are talking about, but, your judgemental words, say all i need to know about you!
      As in scripture, i suppose all of you are righteous? If i am not mistaken, that is the only way you are right, to judge!

      • Cheryl

        Good afternoon, Christopher Allen.

  • insbuysrv

    “The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
    An evil soul producing holy witness
    Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
    A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
    O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!”

    Wlilliam Shakespeare

  • John Scott

    This Christian brother has certainly gone astray and is leading others astray with him. Homosexuality is certainly a sin and is a demonic spirit. This brother needs to be prayed for and delivered from this way of thinking before it’s to late.

    • ort

      I don’t feel comfortable calling this man a “brother”. I believe he is nothing but a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He is no brother of mine. What we need to do is to pray for his salvation. I think he is a false convert. There are millions of those.

      • charlie

        AMEN call it like it is.

    • charlie

      he is NOT a Christian brother. he may be a brother to those in the church system of men but not to Christians

      • John Scott

        Hey Charlie I’ve got news for you I’m not in this so called Church system and haven’t been for years.

    • Christopher Allen

      And, i will Pray for you, that GOD will open your blinded eyes to see that HE created US ALL, not just you and your selected one’s, and HE came down as JESUS to save us ALL, again, not your selected one’s!
      It seems to me that you and a lot of the “posters” here, are the “demonic” ones!
      You certainly do not believe GOD’s WORD, JESUS CHRIST, and the truth and Love that HE stands for, and brings!
      What get’s me, is that, I Love JESUS! HE is a man! And HE LOVES me! Does that make HE and me, homosexual? NO! You are all using your minds that are in the “gutter” thinking anyone that loves another man, has sex with him!
      You are all twisted! May GOD have mercy on your souls!
      I am through here!

      • John Scott

        Christopher Allen what the hell are you saying. I’m not blinded by this so called false prophet. And who are these selected ones you mentioned. It seems to me you should be praying to Yeshua about this anger issue you seem to have. And I’m very aware that Yeshua created us all for his good works. But concerning Homosexuality. GOD said he hated that and a man shouldn’t lay with another man as a women. Is there something you don’t understand about statement.

  • BillWilson

    My Bible says homosexuality is an abomination to GOD.

    • Christopher Allen

      HMMM! It’s fascinating! I have read the BIBLE numerous times, and i haven’t seen the word homosexuality, one time! Guess you have a different BIBLE!

  • jenersea

    Bell is one of those that Paul warned us about in the end times. Someone that is preaching a doctrine of demons and to have nothing to do with him.

  • Patriot47

    I have a problem with this nut case as I do with Westboro

    • Cheryl

      Westboro Baptist “church” is not a reflection of true Christianity. They are haters from the word go…even their website address is revolting! I would protest against the lies that they are spreading.

      John 3:16-17 “For God so LOVED the WORLD that He GAVE His one and only Son, that WHOEVER believes in Him, shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.”

      • Christopher Allen

        cheryl, you seem to have lost sight of those words in your past posts!
        Really, you should pay way much more attention to those exact words!

        • Cheryl

          LOL.

  • Scottiebill

    Although I am agnostic, this “preacher” is full of bullshit. I would place him and his “beliefs” close to those of Jeremiah Wright, he of the God damn America fame. And tha Oprah has apparently bought into that crap just brought her down to another level of irrelevance.

    • Peter Osborne

      Yet, she is still raking in MILLIONS, with no rational explanation……

    • calvinsibert

      Oprah believes just like this guy.She thinks there are many roads to heaven and that it doesn’t matter what you believe.However, the Bible is very clear,there is only one (door) to heaven, and that (door) is Jesus Christ, there is no other name given among men whereby anyone can be saved. We all deserve to go to hell, but God, in His infinite mercy, made a way for us to be reconciled to Him, by believing on the name and finished work of Christ. That is the only way, every other way leads to hell.

      • Christopher Allen

        Yep, and you said the truth about going to heaven; but you left out one most important thing! Once, we belong to JESUS, that can’t be changed, no matter how much you and the rest of the “BIBLE thumpers” want to believe!
        NO matter if one has given his/her life to CHRIST, we still sin! If someone says they don’t, they lie! Whether in thought or deed, we sin, and always will until we reach heaven!
        So, get over your pious selves and accept that GOD LOVES us ALL!

  • Homer

    Well known to who?
    Never heard of this clown before this email and would have been just fine never hearing of him…

    • MikeInMaine

      That’s what I was thinking. Who in HELL wrote this article’s title????? Sensationalize… much?? THIS is the reason that I don’t “shop” here (and at many other PHONY conservative sites – ONLY out to get our money) very much. A couple original tea party movers and shakers have been exposing the corruption within our movement – in these sites – lately. We need a list of the sites with integrity. This site wouldn’t be on it.

      • Christopher Allen

        Hey, i am sure they are begging your forgiveness! What a hypocrite, just as many others on the comment section!
        The “tea party”? What a waste of humanity! They love to wear their fluffy clothes, and powdered wigs, and spout nonsense!
        Yeah, shut the government down, and let the disabled, seniors, and veterans that fought so that their sorry asses could say what they do, starve! I am sure they have plenty “set aside” when the majority of us were working our arses off, or fighting their wars, and couldn’t “rip off” enough people to set us up a “nest egg”!

  • Loretta

    It breaks my heart how fast we are failing. This pastor may be called a Christian but he isn’t. I don’t know how he can think himself so more knowledgeable and all knowing above all thr wisdom and truth of the scripture.that has stood for thousands of years.

    • Barrustio

      He is the White equivalent of Rev. Wright…yet all these “ministers” surely have the support of Obama

      • Christopher Allen

        Not racist are we?

        • Barrustio

          Not at all…this guy is White , Wright is Black but they equally stray from the true word of the Bible just like Obama (Black and White) with his support for baby killing and Same sex unions. Ideology has nothing to do with race.

  • R. Zeigler

    I can’t side with this Pastor. The cities of Sodom and Gommorah were destroyed with fire and brimstone because of all kinds of gay actions including sex with animals. The Bible says woe to whoever adds to or subtracts from His word. His word is a definate No to this practice of homosexuality (gay – male or female), beastiality. He even goes so far as to say to men ” not to drop your seed on the ground” (masterbation). This man needs our prayers. God says things may pass away, but His word will never change. If God is incapable of anything but the truth, how can any man dispute It.

    • Peter Osborne

      Seed on the ground was coitus interrupts, not masturbation.

    • charlie

      please give ne the scriptures that say to pray for him. he is to be confronted. exposed and if not repentent, left to his own devices while warning everyone about him. (see MT 18) but who will do it, all the “pastors” are hirelings in the system of man churches and are guilty of as many things themselves so they know better than to expose him lest they be exposed.
      you have to remember those who profess to be christian ministers ARE JUDGED BY A HIGHER AND DIFFERENT STANDARD.

      • Cheryl

        Hello Charlie, Matthew 5:43-47 Jesus is quoted here. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, (that would include pastors that speak heresy) that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and send rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers (other fellow believers) what are you doing more than others? Do not even the pagans do that?”

        • charlie

          that scipture does not apply here. the one that applies here is.

          1 Cor 5:4-8
          4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

          6 Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.
          NKJV

          • Cheryl

            Charlie, you asked for Scriptures that say to pray for him (in this case, the pastor in the article) I’m sorry if I misunderstood your question. I thought you were wanting to know about praying for others. While I will agree that it is up to the congregation of Mars Hill to expel this pastor for heresy, this particular Scripture is talking about a man who was having a sexual relationship with his father’s wife. Paul was writing to this church in Corinth to make sure that they took care of the situation so it wouldn’t continue to be allowed in their church. The whole point of expelling a person for grievous sin is for them to repent and reconcile with God. It is the sinful nature that God wants destroyed, not the individual.

            Charlie, I’m not arguing with you on your points. I’m just clarifying my own comments.

          • Christopher Allen

            You need to “clarify” a lot more! You seem to think you are such an expert on the BIBLE, and anything GOD says!

          • Cheryl

            Sure, what would you want me to clarify, Christopher Allen? If I have had a prior conversation with you. I would be happy to clarify my points. But, since you only have condescending remarks, it shouldn’t be too difficult.

          • Christopher Allen

            Glad that you, as well as the rest of the pious people on here have “become” GOD!

    • Christopher Allen

      I believe that was in the OLD Testament! The NEW Testament is after CHRIST, OUR LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST came to earth, was born, died and rose again, to save us ALL from sin!
      Too bad some can’t accept that GOD’s LOVE is that immense!

  • calvinsibert

    If your pastor does not stand on the inerrant word of God, and preach God’s word,if God’s word is not the final authority, you are not attending a Christian,(Christ- like)church.You are joined to a cult.PERIOD.
    iT IS FAR AND AWAY BETTER TO ACCEPT THAT THE WORLD WILL HATE YOU AS IT DID CHRIST, THAN TO DENY CHRIST AND SPEND ETERNITY SEPERATED FROM HIM IN HELL.

    • jolene

      Absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!! Good comment…….

      • preacher bill

        I wonder where his calling to preach came from. Paul tells young Timothy, that in the last days there would come those preaching doctrines of demons. Jesus warns of wolves in sheep clothing. And you can know them by their works (words) I suppose this so called preacher, entered the ministry not as a God called minister, but as one deciding an occupation. I met a few like that in my seminary days.. .

        • jolene

          I would guess you are right on about this one. Perhaps they do see it as an occupation. People are very influenced by those kind that preach a very different message that is not from the Bible..

          • Christopher Allen

            Who are you to say, “it’s not from the BIBLE”? You all twist the words of the BIBLE to suit what you want!

          • jolene

            Who are you to tell me it isn’t………..

          • Peatro Giorgio

            Christopher Allen No where with in scripture Is your name present.
            I pity you for lacking the ear and heart to hear Gods word. Many have tried in their best form of love. To express to you How far from the Path you and the pastor who is falsely teaching,have strayed. They have become over zealous for the Love of Christ that they have mis directed their anger, wrongly In part I dare say because they may or might feel their faith being threaten, Have heart my Brothers and sisters . There are those whom will not listen they have closed off their ears and hearts to Christ Jesus Christopher It much appears you have also. Though I may be wrong and you may be seeking both redemption and a stronger Faith But be forewarned The way you are proceeding is Not eternal Life awaiting you. Yes I too am a man of flesh born into sin a broken Vessel. who strives each waking moment to become a disciple of Christ and not just a believer. Yes I fail many a day. However I always return to Him trying harder to stay on His Path Not Mine.

        • Christopher Allen

          Apparently, “preacher” you didn’t learn enough! You are way too “pious” to be a true preacher of GOD’s word! I think you, and the rest of the, so called, christians, are the very one’s that Paul warns of! You are all way too harsh, not to be!
          Frankly, i don’t see, even a glimmer of GOD’s LOVE in any of you!

    • charlie

      and if he brings your devotion the “his” church rether than to Christ , he is a charlatan hireling as most of them are. They are not called by God but by man and they get their degree and then get a job as the unscriptural ‘pastor-hireling” in a church of man, to bring you into the folds of the churches of man and not THE CHURCH OF CHRIST.

      • Christopher Allen

        I love how you so called “christians” like to quote from the Old Testament!
        It’s called that for a reason! It’s before CHRIST, who brought forgiveness and LOVE into the world, and saved us ALL from damnation!
        It is way too bad that the majority, can’t accept that fact!

        • charlie

          unlike you I understand the scriptures and I certainly do not quote from the dead old testament when discussing Christianity.
          That cannot be done in proper context as the new is exactly that NEW. what is your problem

        • charlie

          oh now I read yourother post— so you are a universalist. clearly you have a corrupted view of scripture.and do not understand the works of Christ.

    • Reflect

      Exactly, but too many churches want to act like big government and in order to get more members, they go the way of the world instead of the “Word of God”.

      • Christopher Allen

        Again, “churches” are the people, not the building! So if you want a bigger building, instead of using tithes to help people, you are of the same!

    • Christopher Allen

      The Word Of GOD says to LOVE, it doesn’t say to go around trying to scare everyone with you inane bull! GOD IS LOVE, and you can’t change that fact!

  • peanut butter

    Sorry, but this guy looked a little ‘fruity’ to me at first glance. It wouldn’t surprise me by anything that came out of his mouth. (No pun intended)

  • Donald Durbala

    Why is he even preaching if he doesn’t believe what he is preaching.why is any church Listening to him.They need to fire him for Heresy and hire a preacher/pastor who Will preach the true Gospel and encourage it’s members to share the Good News, the Holy Bible.Jesus Christ died on the cross for everyone’s sins, arose on the third day to abide in Heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father to intercede on our behalf.just share the truth and let them make their own eternal decision.God won’t force salvation on anyone, but we must share the Good News.

    • ort

      Because itching ears are being tickled and those who listen to such apostates don’t know the Word of God. If they knew it, they would know what he is saying is garbage. I have entertained the notion that these people aren’t really saved. When you are saved, you are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit gives wisdom and discernment regarding the Word. These people have no discernment.

      • gagec1

        Absolutely the correct verse to reference in this case.

      • Christopher Allen

        Then, you must not be “saved” because you have no discernment, only judgement!

        • ort

          The Greek used for “judge” is “anakrino”. Translated it means to judge with a righteous judgment. And how do we do that? By comparing what someone teaches to what the Word of God says. The Word is the only litmus test that can be used.
          Since what Bell is teaching is wrong, and since those who listen to this apostate don’t understand that it’s wrong, then only one conclusion can be drawn.

          Again, this is meat for the mature Christian. Sounds like you are still on milk.

    • gagec1

      Donald, he is preaching the same way that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are preaching. Follow the money, these guys are all shake down artists who play on the vulnerability of people who are seeking but haven’t found where the truth that Christ and the Apostles preached. So they are all taken for a ride on the stupid bus alongside the preachers that are false.

    • Barrustio

      You have to consider the congregation…it is the only church which gives their debauchery, license to go about their licentious behavior without guilt…those are his followers…other churches would be too strict on them

      • Christopher Allen

        I love how you so called “christians” judge so much, when none of you is righteous!

        • Barrustio

          Judge?? What “other” reason would this preacher have, to make these statements if not to excuse licentious behavior….it is the word of the Bible that keeps our conscience aware to keep from engaging in all kinds of sin including adultery , fornication, murder, pedophilia, bestiality and everything beyond.

    • Tweety

      How is it also, that he thinks he can even preach at all, without the guidence of the Bible in the first place. Without the Bible…it’s pure propaganda.

      • Reflect

        And the name of the church has Bible in it.

        • Christopher Allen

          That just makes so much sense! NOT!

      • Cheryl

        I like your use of the word “propaganda”.

        • Christopher Allen

          You would!

          • Cheryl

            I would w, Christopher? I wasn’t aware that I was in a conversation with you. I like the way that you reply to almost everyone that makes a comment or posts their opinions. You are pretty funny though, the way that you have chosen more than one of my comments to personally attack me. I wasn’t aware that I had that much power.

    • Christopher Allen

      Yeah, you got that right, the GOOD news, not the hell and damnation that most only want to talk about, and judge!
      GOD CREATED US ALL, AND JESUS DIED TO SAVE US ALL FROM SIN!
      Why is that so hard for so many to accept? Why can’t everyone be totally happy for that fact, and stop trying to tell others that they are going to hell?
      Why? Because, they don’t believe it themselves!
      Go Away Satan, and all your non-believers!

      • Peatro Giorgio

        You Claim every other person to be the judge, It is the judge who condemns or sets free. It is the teacher who corrects, Some make better teachers than others, some are better gifted in the area of teaching, It is for the student to listen, learn, observe . It is a matter of the Heart whether or not the student wishes to learn and discern right from wrong. No one is beyond reproach. With one exception and That of course is Christ Jesus. I am not seeing much love coming from either direction here. I see anger, resentment, and some very unapproachable hearts of stone. Stiff necked and full of prideful.You say your way is Gods way. I say your name is not set in stone. You say everyone else is a hateful one . In say I have not seen Christ like love flowing forth from you.

  • william duran

    Wolves in sheep’s clothing.

  • ort

    Rob Bell is another Emergent Church heretic. Stay as far away from this dolt as possible. Him and Doug Padgett, Rick Warren, etc.
    wolves in sheep’s clothing “not sparing the flock.”

    • usncb

      YES, but just think of all the books he can sell to an hungry fold. He stands to make some money from sheep that are unawares, {SARC} He should be exposed immediately before these poor dumb sheep are totally lost forever. He can’t preach the BIBLE without it. He may quote the BIBLE using it as a way to get people to follow him. Remember that the devil used scripture against JESUS in the wilderness. He is making a glorious pathway to hell for himself and the uninformed sheep.

      • ort

        I agree brother. Paul said “study to show yourself approved.” If we know the Word of God, there is no way we will be fooled by apostates such as Rob Bell.
        Also, we are to “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
        These lost people are still responsible for knowing the Truth. It seems as if they are so lazy, they don’t bother to crack a Bible and see what Bell is “teaching” is nonsense. God still holds them accountable.

        • usncb

          So Right !!

  • Jay C

    He’s not a Christian…telling us that he knows better than the divinely-inspired Word of God! Nor is he a pastor: trying to pasteurize and homogenize God’s people in contravention of what the Bible says is a sin for which he will have to answer…leading the lambs astray. “Going along to get along” is from the great deceiver. Try going along to get along when ISIS knocks on your door!

    • gagec1

      Don’t forget that Christ said that those who lead astray the children of God would face an even harsher judgement.

  • Charley Dan

    I would like to know more. What he has said is absolute truth. We are all wired to want relationships. And should most of all desire that of our Creator. Now let us talk weather it is a sin or not and weather one should love the sinner with compassion. Where would Christ put the most emphasis, on the sin or healing the sinner with compassion. He loved us first and what should we do?

  • Ddenney1

    This is the spirit of anti-Christ the Apostles were speaking about and it is just getting worse!!! Not quoting teaching and living the Bible message is what makes the Church irrelevant and ANYONE that listens to new ager Oprah is just adding to the problem!!! The apostasy Paul spoke of is not only leaving the true Church but I believe the true believers are leaving the modern Church because of these kind of “pastors”!!!

  • huntingfreedominAmerica

    This is nothing new, satan has been using the likes of this clown over the span of 6000+ years he’s not about to stop. As his end gets closer the more mad people will become. There’s nothing new under the Sun and the end has been written. All this is going to happen and the more we see the closer the end is. We are to fight the good fight, but fighting with people like this clown only takes our eyes of Christ and weakling our faith, focus on the real One that gives Power to set people free focusing on the false teachers put doubt in the heart of the weak in faith! By the way the real power is coming to his beloved. Those that are not weak in mind or spirit. Your either All In or All Out no were in between .

    • gagec1

      The first horse of the Apocalypse_False Christs and False Teachings.

  • jolene

    Rob Bell is a wolf in sheep clothing. he is one of those everything is going to be alright idiots. But sadly people flock to hear him and the others that talk this dribble….

    • Barrustio

      I fear that Joel Osteen is not far from this also…all he does is “human” feel good inspirational speaking…very little gospel message as compared to his dad

      • ort

        He is another one to stay away from!

      • jolene

        I never heard his father speak but I have heard from other people who had and they pretty much said the same thing you did…..I agree Joel Osteen is pretty much a prosperity preacher….And raking in the money.

        • Barrustio

          Night and day difference, although I was leery when Joel took over, when he first started, he stuck pretty much to his dad’s message and went on to be “better” in communication, but he really morphed into to what we see today which lacks “real” spirituality”.

  • William Wiles

    Last time I read the BIBLE,”DR” BELL JESUS said “I AM The Same, Yesterday, Today,& FOREVER ! HE told The Children @ Mt Siani, “Behold I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, I CHANGE NOT ! There is NO SHADOW of TURNINGw/HIM ! That is WHY We, Frail,Weak Humans can Build OUR LIVES UPON The BEDROCK, of CHRIST (Christos) ANNOINTED ONE {Koine Greek} JESUS, The Promised MESHEACH/Messiah The Jews Pray for, the SAME ONE Moses spoke of, as well as JOHN the BAPTIST ! Called JESUS, The LAMB of GOD, which takes AWAY the SIN of The WORLD. The Apostle Paul in Romans Ch. 1 refers to “SAME SEX” RELATIONSHIPS as “PERVERSION” which is WHY GOD ALLOWS A.I.D.S., et am DIS-EASES to afflict THOSE who PRACTICE such PERVERSIONS/CORRUPTIONS of GOD’S Plan and Intention for Male & Female, to PRODUCE BIOLOGICAL CHILDREN to Fill this Planet, and SUBDUE/BRING into ORDER/FRUITFULNESS ! NOT to RAPE/PILLAGE/ ABUSE this Planet ! Well, I got a LITTLE off Topic, but THERE IT IS !

  • R. Eilers

    Leviticus 20:9

    If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.

  • James Johnson

    Jesus never said anything regarding homosexuals. The bible is a book written by man. And therefore suspect in its contents. It is very important to all of us to realize that to be intolerant is the opposite of loving others. This pastor has stepped down from fundamental belief to address the lack of love practiced by many Christians today. We all have forgotten our way as Christians. Jesus words are to be taken over Paul’s words any day. Jesus lack of comments regarding these issues is telling us that he did not consider these things important enough to make a difference in his message to us.

    • usncb

      THE BIBLE was written by Holy men as THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. Also in Jn 3:16 it is written that all Scripture is GOD-BREATHED……………………GOD directed the writing of Scripture so it could be recorded in perfect accuracy. It would be no more accurate if GOD wrote the words himself as with the 10 commandments . Read the BIBLE !

      • James Johnson

        Paul said “I not the Lord say this. …”So the bible lied when it stated that every word was gods own.

    • usncb

      You my friend should read Romans chap, 1:24-32, Leviticus chap,18:22-24, Leviticus chap, 20:13. Then think about what you said.

      • James Johnson

        Jesus words are in red. You my friend should read what Paul says. ..”I, not the Lord, tell you this. ..” So you are lying. Not all scripture is from God. And lying is not a Christian value.

        • usncb

          I believe Paul was talking about church order, I will look it up.

        • Matthew V. Brown

          “I, not the Lord, tell you this” just differentiates the words of Jesus from the words of Paul. It has nothing to do with all scripture is from God. Elsewhere, Paul said that ALL SCRIPTURE is God-breathed.

          • James Johnson

            So you do see he was lying or all the words in the bible were NOT gods. You do see it there for yourself yes, no? I mean you just wrote it yourself. I not the Lord say this, and then he turns around and says all words were inspired by the Lord. It’s really obvious  if your not blinded.
            Unless your one of those Christians who says “But the bible meant this or that. …..etc”  It is very much open to interpretation.
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          • Matthew V. Brown

            Re-read my answer. I see no sense in repeating it. I think I was sufficiently clear the first time. What you said I clearly did not write. “It’s really obvious, if you’re not blinded.”

          • James Johnson

            Yep! You have been blinded by indoctrination. Good luck with God on judgment day.  Peace and goodwill from your atheist friends.

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          • Matthew V. Brown

            Fortunately I’m not relying on luck. I’m relying on the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross. You might try the same.

          • James Johnson

            I rely on myself and actually learned to get things done rather than just pray that problems go away. It takes walking the walk, not just talking the talk. Many of my friends know if they want to get things done, James is the one. Anyone can pray. Even if you have faith I still bet you look both ways before crossing a street, don’t you?

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          • Matthew V. Brown

            God gave us a mind to use, James. The fact that I look both ways when crossing the street simply means I use the sensory gifts God has given me. And I don’t just PRAY problems will go away, but I do pray. I daresay I have been walking the walk longer than you have been an atheist. By the way, you know what they say: “There are no atheists in foxholes.”

  • R. Eilers

    Deuteronomy 22:20-1If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s hous

  • R. Eilers

    Take the bible word for word and you’ll be as bad as islamic extremists

  • Barry Johnson

    Looking for Homasexual MONEY

  • Joe S Hill

    Seems like this Rob Bell pastor has become “irrelevant”,if he doesn’t love God,or his words and ordinances,,he is the kind of Pastor that Believing Christians need to stay away from,when his foolishness clearly betrays him,with talk like this! Real Christians know people like this,and if Mr Bell is wise,then he’ll get on his knees and ask God to truly forgive him! God’s words are the same yesterday,today,and forever,,and NOTHING that
    people do or say,will NEVER change or alter these truths! and ANY church pastor,who says that Homosexual marriage is relevant,is both a liar and a fraud-or worse,he is calling God a liar,,which is by no means,a wise thing! because in the end,Rob Bell,like ALL OF US,he will have to appear before God,to give an account,,and unless he seriously reconsiders his rash behavior,he,along with all the unsaved (those who die in their sins)
    will be cast into a lake of Fire,to burn throughout eternity-NOT something,that i’d wish on my worst enemy! for his sake,i hope Mr Bell reconsiders his rash attitude,because unless he repents,he’s lost!

  • ADR

    What a sad commentary from a man who claims to speak for God, yet refuses to use His Word as the basis for his faith. If we can’t begin with John 1 in knowing who He is, than we have no claim to knowing God, His Son Jesus Christ, His Word, and The Holy Spirit which are inseparable. If we have God’s Word to guide our daily life, we are without hope. And the book of Revelation tells us that His Word will be fulfilled so completely as to the jot & tittle (dotting of the ‘i’ & crossing of the ‘t’). In conclusion, I say to Rob Bell “Let God be true and every man a liar”. As a minister, every word spoken from the pulpit, he will answer for and must be careful that we must not believe every spirit, but to try the spirits; to know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error. As Christians, we must pray for Rob Bell, that God will show him the path of truth.

  • DrRisk

    He does not believe the Hole bible is relevant to his life, which means he is not a Christian, or a Jew. Therefore, he has no capacity to lead anyone to God. Nothing more need be said.

  • jaydee

    Can pastors be de-frocked?? He should be. Based on his interpretation of life today people have changed so therefore we have to discount the 2000 year old letters in the Bible. What he does not realize is that people and human nature really does not change. If you asked parents what they wanted for their children at the time of Christ, they would probably say the same as we do today.

    • Jerry Murdock

      One of the very few downsides to freedom of religion is the act that ANYONE can open a “church” and appoint himself as a pastor. It is up to the individual member of the congregation to decide whether to attend or find another church. Sixty years or more ago I saw ads in comic books selling “theological certificates”. I would not be surprised if many popular preachers have one of those certificates on the wall behind their desk.

  • Dave Phelps

    We have way too many Churches that are the Laodicean churches in these last days that disrespect the Holy Bible. If these Satan inspired Pastors think that God is p[leased with them, just wait to the day they stand before the Lord Jesus, they will find that they will go to hell, unless they repent before that day..

    • ort

      “Depart from Me, for I NEVER knew you.” How horrible it will be to hear those words.

  • Viking

    Rom 1:32

    32 Though they are fully aware of God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them themselves but approve and applaud others who practice them.
    AMP

  • Tweety

    (NOTE THAT 3, 7, 10, 12, 21, HAVE ALREADY BEEN ACCOMPLISHED BY THE DEMOCRATS) Long Term Goals of the Communist Agenda In 1958, Cleon Skoussen, former FBI agent, revealed in his book, THE NAKED COMMUNIST, the long term goals of the communist agenda. This information is also contained not only in the Congressional Record (August 1963), but also in the Communist Manifesto itself. For the sake of brevity, only a few of those goals are listed here: 1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war. 2. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the U.S. would be a demonstration of moral strength. 3. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war. 4. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of communist domination. 5. Set up East West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.S. 6. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the United Nations. 7. Promote the United Nations as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. 8. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party. 9. Do away with loyalty oaths. 10. Capture one or both of the political parties in the U.S. 11. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights. 12. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current communist propaganda. Get control of the teachers associations. 13. Gain control of all student newspapers. 14. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions. 15. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV and motion pictures. 16. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them censorship and a violation of free speech and free press. 17. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures and TV. 18. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as normal, natural and healthy. 19. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with social religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a religious crutch. 20. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principles of separation of church and state. 21. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis. 22. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the grounds that it was only a minor part in the big picture. 23. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the communist apparatus. 24. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities. 25. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. 26. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. 27. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American traditions; that students and special interest groups should rise up and use united force to solve economic, political and social problems. Each individual American can evaluate individually just how far these goals have progressed since this information was outlined in 1958.  

  • Tom Yeoman

    It offers us the opportunity to explain what the Bible says, and WHY it says this. Bell is basically correct in that the culture is so broadly post-Christian, it’s forgotten why the Bible is still relevant and the foundational role it’s played in our history. We need to retrieve this information, and share it frequently.
    Other than that, I think Bell’s at serious risk of becoming an apostate. He needs a strong refresher on why we still need the Bible!

    • ort

      Brother, he has gone from “serious risk of” to full blown apostate. He has been around for years. He is to be ignored.

      • Tom Yeoman

        I’m not that familiar with his output — but if Rob Bell is truly apostate, then ignoring him only leaves him free to spread false teaching. We can’t let him. We need to counter what he says, and use strong, Biblically sound arguments to refute his teachings. Study, formulate, present and rebut.

        To the books, everybody… and then to the battlegrounds…

        • ort

          I see what you mean. I agree.

  • Americans Wake Up

    God is calling those who will hear His Word and obey. He is literally separating the sheep from the goats. Follow Christ!

  • charlie

    typical hireling pastor. nothing new here. just another expression of the true condition of the churches of man system. The apostate church system on men is fallllllliiinnnng. Thank God. Hurry up and finish destroying it Lord before you have to destroy all of along with it.

  • Jimmy C. Jones

    Rob Hill “was” the pastor at this church, not “is.” Obviously the dude is a far left new age freako. Look him up on Google.

  • Americans Wake Up

    He is also the one that wrote the book Love Wins. He believes and is pushing a false doctrine that all will be saved in the end. When I read the scriptures I see salvation coming to “some” and “many” but not all. Christ desired all come to salvation but knew as part of the Triune God that no all would. Matthew chapter 7 is a very sobering chapter to read.
    Are you ready? Are you sure? Salvation is more that just saying a prayer and going your own way. We are to be true disciples of Christ and follow the example he left for us.

  • R. Eilers

    Exodus 35:2

    For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

  • R. Eilers

    Ephesians 5:22-24Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

  • R. Eilers

    Exodus 21:20-21If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

  • John Degges

    He is not alone. Consider the Episcopal Church’s stance: homosexual men and women serve as priests; the former Bishop of New Hampshire spoke of his “husband;” I could go on, but his should be enough of this body. (There are Churches which have parted company with the Episcopal Church that hold to the Bible.)
    The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (there are Lutheran Churches that hold to the Bible) has no problem with homosexual activity.
    The Presbyterian Church in the United States (there are Presbyterian Churches that hold to the Bible) is in the process of changing the definition of marriage to being, not between a man and a woman, but “between two persons.”

    May God have mercy on all those who claim to be followers of God and yet deny his authority over them.

  • omega2

    GUESS HE THINKS THAT WE SHOULD LISTEN TO ISIS AND BOZO THE OVAL OFFICE CLOWN!

  • R. Eilers

    2 Kings 2:11As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.John 3:13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man

  • Poodleguy

    Many will come in his name & there will be LIARS amongst them!!!! To the faux pastor: God is gonna get you for that!!

  • myfordtruck

    That man is not a pastor he is what’s wrong with world anybody that changes the Bible is condemned he is doubly so because he claims to represent God and is misleading gods people

  • JS

    This Pastor is a Wolf in Sheep’s clothing! He is basically saying God’s inspired Word is irrelevant. God’s word will stand till he comes and then we will see just how relevant his Word is/was!

    • Poodleguy

      False prophets as foretold in the Bible. Btw: are you aware the Momon church has removed Revelations 22-18 & 19 from it’s bible? You know, the scripture warning what shall befall those who add or subtract from it?? They are cursed, are they not??

  • R. Eilers

    “If a woman tries to save her husband from a beating by grabbing the other man’s private parts to lift him off her husband, then both her hands must get cut off: Deuteronomy 25:11-12 “

  • Sugarcane52

    This is one reason that Islam is so popular: you can do whatever you want, anything goes!

  • R. Eilers

    : Mark 9:43. “If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire.”

  • R. Zeigler

    I pray for all who have lost their way. I am a layman, I leave the rest for those higher in Spiritual Authority to take that task upon, seeing they are much more knowledgeable than I. As far as ” not spilling your seed upon the ground” I feel that God gave us that seed of life for procreation, not for our own physical enjoyement. I agree with what you say. I just am not learned enough to do these things. I have some learning problems, thus I build on what I know and what I am taught. I do my best to remember all I can. With Gods help and repetition I am able to retain. Thank you for the info you shared.

  • Vickie Huff

    Don’t allow your sons & daughters attend Mars Hill. Wow!!!
    My grandchildren as young as 3 knows more than this guy. Who has thought himself smarter than God. We all know what happens with that !!

  • ben Haggai

    Mr. Bell (should I call you Reverend?) loneliness is best dealt by a relationship with someone of the opposite sex. Furthermore, if you read the Bible (as a preacher I presume you do) you will discover that God made humankind male and female, and ordered them to reproduce and fill the earth. How can male with male, or female with female ever reproduce and fill the earth? Please go back and read your Bible. It was written for all times, and has not become outdated. One last question: Are you really a preacher?

  • R. Eilers

    . Matthew 5:29
    „If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.“

  • Reflect

    The Devil works the hardest on the inside of the church. Next he gets the outside to mock the believers of God. We are in big trouble when he gets control of our church leaders. All one can do is to pray and hope.

  • Ron

    what does the Bible say about false prophets and false teachers—-this so called preacher needs help.we shuld follow the word of God,not some nut case who thinks the church(God) is irrelevant.

  • DannaStevens

    Unfortunately, although this is a “little” more extreme, we are seeing more & more of this line of thinking from many pulpits-in all churches. We were told that there would be “wolves in sheep’s clothing” infiltrating the church. This has always been true, as we know, but it is becoming more & more obvious.I’m afraid “money” & “knowledge” have become the basis for the selection of leadership in many churches & that “leadership” is responsible, for what comes from the pulpit. The good part-the churches who are staying true to the Bible, are seeing huge growth from the true Christians who are searching for a church that teaches the truth. The bad part of that – many young people who have never heard or been taught the Bible, are mis-led by these other “churches”.

  • Henry Smith

    Suggesting that what God saw fit to have written 2000 years ago as His laws of conduct by which we should live as irrelavent today reveals the ignorance of any might agree. Since we are all His children and He has our best interest in mind…. It’s just one more example of the blind leading the blind… and booooy is the earth populated with a bunch of blind so called leaders. Those who portend to speak for God at the same time teaching that revelation from the source of all knowledge has ceased long ago defaults to being blind. The Apostple of old recieved revelation and were nearly in constant contact (as needed) with God in order to know His will as it pertains to how they were to lead and what they were to teach the members of the ancient church.

    Question: Where in the Bible does it say anything about changing the leadership structure of the church (as Jesus Christ Himself…the son of God) determined to organize it? Since I can find no instructions from God himself TELLING his Apostles they would no longer be needed and in fact 2 additions were made to the office of “Apostle” after 2 had been killed…I believe the original church hierarchy died off and THAT explains why revelation from God stopped. Where is the REAL true church of Jesus Christ? Read Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, (has everyone come into the unity of the fait?) and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: There is scripture referring to a restoration before the second coming….Mark 9:11 ¶And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things;….(Have any of you heard about the return of this prophet?

  • Babette d’Yveine

    I’ve always believed that the Bible (both testaments) are a bunch of fairy tales, anyway. What is important is how you treat your fellow humans.

    • ort

      No, what is important is to recognize that one is a sinner and cannot ever be good enough to earn or buy their way to heaven. What is important is to realize Jesus died to pay for our sins so that we WOULD be able to go to heaven because of the righteousness I puted to us by His death on the cross.
      “Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins.”

      The most important thing is for you to not let another day go by without repenting, and confessing that you are a sinner in need of a savior.
      Because I tell you truly, if you live life by the philosophy of treating people nice, and that’s it, you will be condemned with all the rest.

      I say this with no malice or hatred. I say this with grave concern for you. God bless.

  • PurpleLady 63

    Correct Matthew Brown, it is said today so many people call themselves Christians, and they are so far from following Christ you are not able to detect their shadow. Paul said if anyone preaches another gospel, let him be accursed meaning dammed.

  • justdave

    i believe he was preaching against “cafeteria christians” that pick and choose parts of the bible that support their prejudices and pettiness. What happened to stoning for working on the sabbath or wearing clothes made with mixed materials? Don’t like those parts? So just pretend they aren’t there so you can condemn anothers beliefs. That makes you no better than the radical terrorist islamist that obama won’t talk about.

    • ort

      Then why is he pro homosexual? The New Testament speaks very clearly on that. Jude 1:7, 1 Cor 5, etc.

      • justdave

        The bible has been rewritten, revised and edited to suit those in power. Who cares what consenting adults do? Allowing gays to marry allows for property rights, insurance, medical coverage, etc. Besides, shouldn’t gays have all the other “benefits” of marriage? Equal opportunity in misery!

  • Ken says

    Thank God for the US Constitution – It is the groundwork for our Country, It provides for freedom for religious beliefs, civil rights, womens rights, gay rights, gun rights, etc, etc. There are some religious organizations that would like to proclaim themselves as the “official distributor” of human rights – WELL THEY ARE NOT. I would not deny you your right to practice your religion – do it in your church and in your homes. Do Not do it in my face. That is unconstitutional and very offensive and interferes with my Rights.

  • muchfedup

    He may be well known, but I never heard of him. The Bible is God’s Holy Word and I need to hear it every day. I wouldn’t sit in his congregation one minute. I noticed he is real chummy with Oprah. That speaks volumes to me.

  • Girlie58

    From Michigan? Another end time prophecy coming to life. There will be many who Will come in Jesus’name, do not be deceived. This pastor is a false preacher!

  • Cheryl

    Rob Bells quote “I think the culture is already there and the church will continue to be
    even more irrelevant when it quotes letters from 2,000 years ago as
    their best defense, when you have in front of you flesh-and-blood people
    who are your brothers and sisters, and aunts and uncles, and
    co-workers and neighbors, and they love each other and just want to go
    through life with someone.” Rob Bells stated that “the church will continue to be even more irrelevant when it quotes letters from 2,000 years ago as their best defense…” I am appalled at this “pastor” making a statement that the Holy Word of God is simply “letters from 2,000 years ago”. Every single word written down by those whom God appointed and breathed His wisdom into is as relevant today as it was then. The old testament gives us a “world view” and how we deserve to be held accountable for our actions, and pay the debt for our sins. It shows us the need for a Savior. The new testament is a continuation of God’s love and mercy through the life of Jesus Christ. I do not always understand the whole of what God’s Word says. I just know that God does not change, He is constant, consistent, eternal. I will let Him do the judging. I just want to follow what Jesus said the two greatest commandments are in Matthew 22:37-39 when He responded to the Pharisees (This man was an expert in the Jewish Laws) question in verse 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Verse 37 Jesus replied, “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. ” Verse 38 “The is the first and greatest commandment, Verse 39 “and the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself.” Yes, I am one of “those Christians”, and I choose to believe and trust what Jesus said about loving God and loving people (all are my neighbor) seriously. As one Christian to another Christian, we are to correct these types of misconceptions when they are blatantly in direct contrast to what God says in His word.

  • Dannie Poe

    Sin is sin in any form. As Christians we are told sin is bad and that Jesus died for our sins. Christians are not told that since Jesus died to eliminate our sins we can continue to sin. We are told to fight against sin and that if we sin to confess our sins. The Bible never says sin is good. If homosexuality is a sin in Gods eyes then we as Christians should never promote it. This applies to all sins. Man by his nature is sinful, yet we should try our best to live a life free of sin. This Pastor is proclaiming that we should accept and forgive people who choose a different lifestyle. In truth the choices one makes in life are between God and that person. True forgiveness comes from God.

  • Rev. A. Wayne Duffield

    Such statements indicate that he has left the Christian faith and the truth of the Word of God. He is now a false teacher.

  • spoons

    O Rob Bell of what church??? O yeah MARS church huh!!! Well let him board his little space ship an return back ta MARS he don’t know what he is talkin bout an I don’t like ta judge but sorry he looks like ol JIMMY JONES just fer he took his TRIP an never returned

  • Dumanhieu Turboshok

    He is not a true Christian if he has strayed from the Bible and the true word of God.
    Certainly, if he professes any path way than that which the Bible guides us to then he preaches against Christ and the Holy Bible and therefore he is a false pastor and destined for hell and a life with satan.

  • Be Thechange

    I am 62 and have been a pastor for about half my life. The only, ONLY, relevant issues in Christianity are: 1. the Living Word, Jesus Christ and His message, and 2. God’s written Word.

    I am not Mr. Bell’s judge but I can judge what he says from personal experience. All of the “lonely hearts club band” rubbish only lasts until one is on the threshold of eternity.

    My younger brother, until he was 31 years old, the year of his death from AIDS related lymphoma, defended militant homosexuality. He regularly tried to debate the topic with me from scripture as I was a relatively new pastor. I never stopped loving my brother nor visiting him in his home, and I never strayed from presenting scripture as the foundation and the truth. His error never stopped me from loving and praying for him

    About four months before Ted died, we went to a funeral for a family friend at Lakewood Church early in 1996 where John and Dodie officiated. That day, Ted heard the truth. He repented and believed the Gospel. For his remaining months his bible was always open and his radio and TV were tuned to the Gospel. I preached his funeral a few months later when he died at 31 looking 81. I didn’t shy from the truth of God’s word.

    Mr. Bell is likely ushering unsuspecting sheep into hell with a doctrine that is expressed CLEARLY in both old and the new testaments. Now my prayer list is lengthened at what appears clearly to be apostate teaching.

    Right is never wrong. God’s word is absolutely correct. ALL the time.

    • ort

      I am so sorry to hear of your brothers death, but I am joyful to know he was saved and you will see him again! Praise God, always, and in all things.

      • Be Thechange

        Thank you. God bless you always, all ways.

        • ort

          Thank you, brother. (((hugs)))
          Y.S.I.C.
          –Ort

  • Bud Chapman

    Oh, I suppose that what God said about same-sex marriage (Homosexuality) should be completely cast out of our Christian faith and Jewish faith as well, well, to call on my old street jargon “Hell No”. You either believe in the whole Holy Bible or you don’t. If you don’t then don’t profess to be a Christian! And get the hell out.

  • bee

    rob bell, take that fat arrogant piece of shit opray winfree and both of you get your scumbag asses out of our country.

  • Clyde Wary

    I totally agree with this pastor. I am a Christian and I study the Bible, but I certainly recognize that one cannot assume that EVERYTHING in it is true. Individuals do not choose their sexual orientations, and I can’t see how God would condemn a person for being homosexual, any more than He would condemn them for being Black, or having blue eyes, etc.

    • Cheryl

      Revelation 3:15-16 Jesus says, “I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm–neither hot nor cold–I am about to spit you out of my mouth.”

      I feel like my OWN faith has been strengthened as of late. Like I have said before, I don’t claim to understand everything about God’s word, but I will NEVER doubt the truth and relevancy for today’s world as well as 2,000 years ago.

      • Clyde Wary

        I’m not so sure as to how what you have said relates to what I said in my post. But perhaps this will clarify exactly what I believe. I should say that I’ve studied most of the world’s religions, and have found the same basic truthes in all. Jesus said we must love God with all our heart, strength, and soul, and love our neighbors as we love ourselves. The Wiccan Rede states, “An’ ye harm none, do as thou wilt!” These are two sides of the very same “coin.” I try to serve God as much as I can, and otherwise, do whatever I bloody well want, as long as I don’t hurt anyone!

        • Cheryl

          Good evening, Clyde. Thanks for clarifying what you meant. I thank you for your kind reply! I was using the verses above to talk about my own faith and after re-reading what I wrote, I have to apologize to you for the way it came across. I honestly didn’t mean that YOU were lukewarm, I meant that I have been lukewarm and need to really re-think MY walk with the Lord! I feel very blessed to be loved by God, and in turn, try to show the same love to others. It’s articles like the one above that make me take a serious look at myself. Thanks again!

      • Clyde Wary

        One more thing….WHAT does it mean to be a Christian? Jesus never said anything about answering an “arlter call,” nor about accepting any doctrine. He said “Feed my sheep!” He told us to comfort the greiving, To provide for the poor…..to SERVE….”for each who has done this…has done it to Me…”

    • Americans Wake Up

      You really need to read the Bible before you type. I Corinthian 6: 9-10 and Romans 1 27-32. God does not hate the sinner but does hate the sin they are in and homosexuality is a sin. Read vs 32 of Romans 1 and see how God feels toward those who support homosexuals.

  • carolynalexander

    It seems that many of our well known publishing houses in the U.S. have jumped on this pastor’s bandwagon as well. Abingdon Press has been publishing heresy books that preach a different gospel, call Jesus “the Human One,” and actively publish books that promote it is okay to be a Christian and a homosexual. You know people, this whole thing is spiraling out of control and I honestly think that Christianity was given a bad name when that whole nutty Westboro church started condemning people to hell, causing a mockery of Christ, instead of witnessing and winning people to the Lord. When our publishing companies like Abingdon Press (also published an Advent “devotional” that pushed homosexuality), and Zondervan who published a book by a homosexual that stated it was okay go be gay and a Christian as long as you remain celibate, are prime examples of how this push from the homosexual community to change the way Christians think. Oh, in case you didn’t know this – there is actually a movement designed for this very idea. To infiltrate mainstream Christianity.

    Here’s what EVERYONE forgets about this issue. First of all, why on earth would God EVER destroy two cities (Sodom and Gomorrah) if people “were born that way?” If so, he would destroy each and every one of us for “how we were born,” because we’re all born in sin. It doesn’t matter which sin, sin is sin. Period. All of this gay acceptance started because when their “partner” died, they wouldn’t be entitled to their money. So, once again, everything has to do with the money thing. Satan has taken the one example on earth, marriage, which is a holy thing from God, because it is the ONLY example of the relationship between Christ and the Church on earth. If he can destroy marriage in the deepest way possible, then he can destroy thousands this way. So what’s next? Just because two murderers want to live together, do we say “oh, murder is okay now because they’re born that way?!” Seriously people, God says all sin leads to death, no matter what that sin is that’s being committed. Sodom and Gomorrah were so bad about the homosexuality that they tried to have sex with the angels that God sent to Lot! Wow!

    And, I think that those people who are involved in this deception, especially these publishing houses, are going to be horrifically condemned. Especially this “pastor” Bell. All I can say is pay attention to Revelation, pay attention to what’s happening in the Middle East, and pray like crazy for Israel! Also, we all need to pray and intercede for our country, our churches and our youth. These are some seriously weird times and the time for goofing off and enjoying what our relatives fought and died for are over. It’s time we all “get our flip-flops off the porch and pick up the torch.” If we don’t, come on people, we’re all hosed!

  • Jimmee41

    This situation was a prophecy in the 1st Century AD: “2 Tim 3:1-5
    This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents,unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”
    The Bible is the standard of all human living for all of time from the Creation to the Second Coming of Jesus. We do live in perilous times and every wind of doctrine is blowing but the only relevant Word is Scripture. The world is passing away but those who remain faithful to Jesus will be saved for Eternity!!!

  • Bobby

    It’s been well known that he is a Ravenous wolf in sheep’s clothing, an ‘ ear tickling’ impostor, deceived and deceiving minister of satan.2nd Timothy 3,1st Timothy 4 doctrines of demons-Matthew 24signs,Galatians 1,2nd Corinthians 11, clear, and others. Along with his Emergent ‘ church” Cult. The word of God,the K.J.V or N.K.J.V.Bible, reveals his type and in this time,motives and more. Exactly, of course. An apostate like Rick Warren, this pope and others. We are to expose them,they are very dangerous to people. The truth in love for others.Eric Barger, lamblion ‘ Christ in Prophecy’, Jack Van Impe are 3 of many that had recent programs on cults, false religions,false teachers and more. Eric Barger’s ministry is about these counterfeits and cults.Many years ago he was a rock star, hooked on drugs and in the Genesis 3, satanic new age. Then he repented and received the forgiveness and paid in full, gift of Saving grace, for Lord Jesus to come in, make him new as his Lord, and Savior. His life totally transformed. His area, exposing counterfeits and sharing the way, truth and the life, Son of God, Lord Jesus. We can easily discern through Christ in us, filled with Holy Spirit and the word of God that He wrote through holy men of God’s, hands.100% accurate Bible prophecy has and is rapidly jumping off of world news in so many areas.

  • James Johnson

    The sad part here is that there are so many haters in these comments.

    • ort

      Haters of sin? Haters of lies? Haters of false teaching? Haters of Godlessness? Haters of the sin and NOT the sinner? You bet.

  • San

    ISIS are flesh and blood ….they just want what they want, too! The argument in principal is no good. By the way, many countries and many religions are against same sex marriage. This ding dong has more problems than just the Bible, but it is a safer target. He only wants to condemn the Bible, wether he sound like an illiterate or not.

  • Wayne Wilson

    The following verses give two categories of ministers: Ephesians 4:11-16; 2 Corinthians 11:13-15. At present there are only a few mature minsters in the first category which is one of the major reasons that the overall church is in need of restoration. The lack of true salt and light coming from the church is why spiritual darkness is spreading and influencing all aspects of life in the United States. Restore the church and save our nation!
    http://WWW.JesusandtheWord.blogspot.com

  • Karen Stickney

    There are some things in the Bible that raise doubts. For instance, how can a whale swallow a person, like what allegedly happened to Jonah?

    • Americans Wake Up

      They find whole bodies inside of great white sharks. The whale is the largest mammal on earth today and you don’t think they could swallow a human?

    • Cheryl

      Hi Karen, I know that a lot of us have grown up hearing about “Jonah and the Whale”, but the Bible doesn’t say whale actually. It does say a “great fish”! LOL

  • Larry J Humphrey

    I may have missed something in his ‘comments’, but I didn’t see where he said anything untrue. He doesn’t say that the Bible will become irrelevant because of its stand on the homosexual movement. He stated that its 2000 yr old letters will make it so in a day like today. I do agree that all people have a tendency to be lonely and that companionship helps. I do NOT agree with the homosexual movement, but Mr. Bell hasn’t said (yet), that he does. Now IF he states that he is in agreement with it, does he negate the truth of the Scripture? NOT at all. Remember, God says: “I am the Lord, I change not”

    • Cheryl

      Precisely, if this man was saying “I think the culture is already there and the church (which means the body of Christ) will continue to be even more irrelevant when it quotes letters from 2,000 years ago as their best defense…” Then yes, I do have a problem with what he is saying. Just because culture is “already there” doesn’t mean that the 2,000 year old quotes from the Bible, inspired by a Holy God will EVER be irrelevant. He IS saying that the Bible will become irrelevant because he himself is referring to the Bible as simply “letters from 2,000 years ago”.

      • Larry J Humphrey

        The Bible is irrelevant – to those who refuse to obey it because of their own desires. It has always been – for that reason alone. BTW: It is amazing how ‘comments’ can change subject so quickly. I read a few of them before I answered you.
        Blessings

        • Cheryl

          Thanks, Larry. It is apparently irrelevant to even this pastor. I expect non-believers to say something like this, but certainly not a pastor. Blessings to you, also.

  • Trisha55

    He is not a Christian and he does not believe in God’s word. The harm he is doing is going to cost him dearly unless he does a lot of repenting.

  • KayO

    Romans 1:18-32, II Timothy 3, and II Timothy 4…..here are those scriptures in action.

  • scott

    i would love to watch obamas brothers give this guy a little anal jihad and then set him on fire like they do everyone else.

  • Charles Wasson

    This man is under the influence of the great deceiver who is non other that Satan himself. The Bible is the only True Source from which to base all Christian Doctrine on. Jesus gave His life to pay the ransom for the sinfulness of all of mankind. He shed His Blood in order that by Faith we could be made right with God. He was buried and resurrected on the 3rd day as a promise that we who believe will also be resurrected to new life should we die before He comes in the clouds for His Bride which is the Church. Homosexuality is condemned in the Word of God. The Bible is literally God-Breathed and its teachings clearly reveal Gods viewpoint on all Sin. God made mankind Male and Female, and told us as man and wife to reproduce life as a result of our coming together. Homosexuality does not nor will it ever produce life. Homosexual sex only feeds mans Carnal desire for satisfaction and that is short-lived. Homosexuals are not born that way, it is a choice one makes. For a person to say “I was born this way” is simply a lie to blame God for our sinful choice. The Word of God not only condemns homosexuality but provides the only True way one can be delivered from it. By placing our Faith in the Lord Jesus, repenting of our sin and receiving Jesus as our Savior, one can be set free from the power of sin. All of the therapy in the world wont change a person only, by being Born Again can we find True Freedom. This so-called pastor is politically correct but being Politically Correct will lead him and his followers down the wide road that leads to an Eternity separated from God. The choice is clear, “as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord”

  • ConservativeSenior

    This “pastor” is another devil’s disciple.

  • AravothThrone

    This man is teaching the spirit of antichrist. The Bible warns people of his kind.

  • Dolly M. Woodell

    A true born again Christian could never advocate this mans teachings. And that is exactly what it is: Man’s teaching. Definitely not the Holy Spirit that is in a true Christian’s heart.

  • oldguy74

    Just what I would expect from Obummers state . More people who are not what they say they are. He will have to be accountable for his disbelieve of Gods words. He must have switched his believe to Islam to please Obozo hoping he will save his head. Even if you take a Muslim name it wont work for you. Try this name ” Mibalzar Akeen”

  • Redfox007

    What I say about him or any other person claiming to be a pastor and not going with the Bible is exactly what the Bible says.

    Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven
    against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in
    unrighteousness;

    Romans 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is
    manifest in them; for God hath shewed it
    unto them.

    Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the
    creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are
    made, even his eternal power and
    Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they
    glorified him not as God, neither were
    thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was
    darkened.

    Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became
    fools,

    Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible
    God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted
    beasts, and creeping things.

    Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to
    uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own
    bodies between themselves:

    Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and
    worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for
    ever. Amen.

    Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile
    affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is
    against nature:

    Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the
    natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men
    working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of
    their error which was meet.

    Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God
    in their knowledge, God gave them over
    to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

    Romans 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness,
    fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder,
    debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

    Romans 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud,
    boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

    Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers,
    without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

    Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they
    which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have
    pleasure in them that do them.

    Leviticus_20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

    He/they need to be tossed out of th ewChurch. But, if that church allows him to be there then it is not much of a God Based Church.

    • Dot

      AMEN, AND RIGHTLY SAID. Definitely the TRUTH, you have spoken!!!

  • Athanasios1

    Kill’em all, and let God sort them out.

  • Redfox007

    And, who was Jesus speaking to? The Pharrisees, and Scribes, and
    heathen. He was not speaking to the Christians, as they were not who
    brought her to tempt Him.

    Here is what He says to the Followers of God:

    Ezekiel 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely
    die;
    and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from
    his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his
    iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

    Ezekiel 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not
    from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

    Ezekiel 3:20 Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit
    iniquity,
    and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou hast
    not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness
    which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require
    at thine hand.

    Ezekiel 3:21 Nevertheless if thou warn the
    righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall
    surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul.

    So you see, God says we are to warn them, and if we do not tell them they are in the wrong, we will carry their sin.

  • daledor

    That 2000 year old documents called the Bible is God’s written Word. It never changes like God Himself.
    If he is talking about just quoting the words to unsaved people as being irrelevant – yes and no. Yes it is irrelevant if God can’t reach the persons heart or if the one who quotes the scripture uses it as a tool of condemnation or defense – only the Holy Spirit reveals the Author’s intent because the Author still exists – God. People often just wrote what He inspired them to write. —- No it is the most relevant documents in history revealing man’s and God’s nature and giving instructions and guidance on living and pleasing God as well as examples of failures to learn from.
    It is through the Bible that God speaks the clearest and loudest to Adam’s race. “How can people be saved except they ‘hear’ God’s Word?” Now, quoting in Elizabethan English and expecting to be credible to the unsaved – that is silly. The lost need to hear the Word of God by those who follow and obey the Author, God. They need to hear it in words that they understand. Instead of saying, “John 3:16 says, ‘for God so loved the world that He gave His Only Begotten Son'” you could say “God gave His Only Son because He loved you and me and all mankind.” If the person wants to know the scripture then say, “John 3:16.” There is no power behind John 3:16 as a quote but God can work with the scripture to save the person, especially if they see Jesus in you – full of love and compassion. Be able to quote the scripture and if you can where it came from in the Bible but the emphasis should be in loving and identifying with the person. God does not mind paraphases or rewrites as long as we don’t add to or take away from the heart of the Word, making god in our image vs revealing God’s Word as accurately as possible. If our heart is full of love from God and our desire is to please God and help others then even if we screw up our communication – “God’s love covers a multitude of sins” when we want to do right and are not ignoring or re-inventing the Creator.

  • 724willy

    Infamous is the word describing this charlatan. His followers lack descernment.

  • daveveselenak

    In the End Times there will be false prophets, do you need anymore proof of this? The sh^t is about to hit the fan in 2015 – guaranteed!

  • Destry

    Any Christian pastor that rejects the lessons from the Bible isn’t really a Christian and is unqualified to be considered a pastor of the Church since he’s rejecting the word of God.

  • Karen Stickney

    I read that it is impossible for a whale to swallow a person.

  • Obie Miller

    The King James Bible clearly defines what is sin. One may “dance all around it”, as obama and Mr. Bell seem to do,but unforgiven sin WILL send you to hell. Christians are warned to not listen to “another gospel”, which this appears to be.

  • Stan Hoffman

    I wouldn’t want to be in this guys shoes on the day of judgment. Jesus warned of the many false prophets, teachers, churches who would come in His name. Pretty obvious this guy is one of them.

  • Sam

    “Jesus Christ the same.yesterday, today and forever”.

  • Henry Smith

    Question: Where in the Bible do we find the instructions given to the original 12 Apostles to alter the way Jesus Christ Himself…the son of God (who led a perfect life) determined to organize it? Namely Prophets and apostles as described in Ephesians 4:11-13? Since I can find no instructions from God himself instructing his Apostles they would no longer be needed and in fact 2 additions were made to the office of “Apostle” after 2 had been martered…we can conclude the original church hierarchy were killed off for lack of modern travel and communication arrangements. THAT explains why revelation from stopped. Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.Hence the question….Where is the REAL true church of Jesus Christ? Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, (has everyone come into the unity of the faith yet?) and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: There are many scriptures which refer to a restoration before the second coming….Mark 9:11 ¶And they asked him, saying, Why say the scribes that Elias must first come?12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things;….(Have any of you heard about the return of this prophet?Acts 3:21Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. Matt 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. John came before Him at His first coming and will likewise return before His second…unless you do not believe the Bible. Has John been back yet? Whoever tells you the Heavens are closes is a fool and blind because they recieve no revelation. I am not a prophet but I can read and I believe what the Lord has seen fit to preserve for us a written guide to direct our path in life. No more prophets? See chapter 11 of the book Revelation abotu 2 that will be killed in Israel.

    13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

  • Dave T.

    (Malachi 3:6-7) For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return? (KJV)

  • Dan Charlock

    The very fact that there are men like this behind the pulpit proves the Bible all the more. The Apostle Paul warns believers that in the last days people would defect from the faith. He also warned us to stay away from thosemwho preach any other gospel than Jesus Christ crucified.

  • don lavrich

    this guy is no christain. homosexuality is still an abomination to our Lord. it is still one man and one woman. quit trying to brainwash everyone into thinking this lifestyle is o.k. it is not. it wasn’t then, now or in the future. Gods word is the truth!

  • Dale Means

    This man is not a real pastor of the Bible. Have nothing to do with him!

  • Don Hill

    So whats really the problem!? He seems more right than wrong

  • Don Hill

    U folks need to stop throwing stones, i dont see much love and/humility in most of these comments

    • ort

      So we are supposed to throw the Word of God out the window, and instead choose to lie to people so they end up in hell and WE helped them there????
      Shame on you.

      • Don Hill

        You are throwing words in my mouth, shame on you, churches dont really practice what the preach, thats why their are soooo many, many have become clicks and the Word of God has been ignored, folks pick n choose what they want to listen to, an still live the way they please

        • ort

          No, I’m not putting words in your mouth. You basically made a statement that said we were throwing stones, and had no love or humility. I take umbrage at that remark.
          Jesus said He came not to bring peace, but a sword. The Gospel is also “an offense” to people. People don’t like to be told the truth. When told the truth, no matter how loving, we are told we are “judgmental” or “haters”.
          Just can’t win, apparently.

    • Henry Smith

      Isaiah 30:1
      1 Woe to the rebellious children, saith the Lord, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:

      • Don Hill

        Oookkaay!? You are sounding abit self rightous there, adding sin to sin… hummm, isnt that what churchs are doing now adays allowing these gays to think that their life style is acceptable. Yes they need to be in church but not in any active ministry, like i have seen. They are barely taught that their life style is wrong in Gods eyes, like any sin

        • Henry Smith

          Don you misundersatnd if you believe I am sounding self righteous. I’m just an average Joe quoting a scripture. Perhaps you think Isaiah sounds self righteous but he is only making observations and putting what he observes into print of what he sees around him in his day. In other writings he was shown the future so he is directing his words to our generation ALL OF IT in an attempt to warn us. EVERYTHING the Gospel has to offer is to direct and advise so we don’t waste our lives and to make our lives happier and easier. Those who do not need direction or advise…those who are living good righteous lives do not take the prophet’s warning as anything more than it is and that is for our best interest. We as peolpe are simply not perfect. We make mistakes. If we have our heads on straight or get our heads on straight we will realize that we do not want to harm anyone….including ourselves. We SHOULD think in terms of making an effort to put the teachings presented through out the Bible (assuming you believe the teachings are sourced from God the teachings have our best intentions in mind) to work in our lives. We need to apply what is being said and try to be the good guys. It’s all about choice. That is what this life is all about…choice. WE decide where we end up and who we listen to and what we do. It’s like this….God is our Father like we have parents here on earth…. Dramatization: Your mom makes cookies and tells you they are for later….not to be eaten now. (God has some really neat stuff in store for us after this life and promises us these treats) As long as your parents are in the room you obey and leave the cookies alone. The true test comes when mom and dad leave the room (earth life away from home) (remember it says we “RETURN” to god when we die) (can’t return from somewhere lest you’ve been there before) Anyway…. We are separated from the presence of God to be tested to see if we will take the cookies so to speak. “HE” gave us free agency…freedom of choice to test our metle…what we’re made of…you understand?

        • Henry Smith

          Don I bought an interesting book. Isaiah simplified. Read what I wrote after this but I wanted to write in here how that book translates that verse 30:1 into modern language. Isaiah warns the people of Judah who were often unfaithful in keeping the commendments of God, not to make political alliances with foreign nations. By failing to seek protection from God they only make a bad situation worse. Totaly different from what I would have expected but nevertheless….

  • Calvin Luther

    The reason he has so many followers is because a false prophet is God’s judgment upon a selfish, carnal, and idolatrous people. They want their ears tickled, they want to be entertained rather than informed. Men like Bell, Osteen, Copeland, and many alike have big churches full of lost sheep so their churches will balloon, rather than branch out producing disciples and missionaries. A far cry from the 1st and 2nd Great Awakening. Sad to say many once Bible believing colleges and seminaries are headed or already fallen into apostasy.

  • Alleged Comment

    Gays for gays and God for humans and He did say not to lie with another man. Which do you prefer?

    Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination. (Lev 18:22)

  • Lester Peoples

    A true sign of the last days! Scoffers and denying the truth-leading others astray ect. How hot will hell’s flames increase when they are tossed into the lake of fire and brimstone as predicted. But he would say this is a fable?? but really?

  • Jim

    He is not the pastor at Mars Hill Bible Church in Michigan. He lives in California.

  • signdoc

    If He is Well Known, how is it that every Person I have ask, Never heard of Him?

  • signdoc

    Revelations 22:18 and on says if You take away or add unto these words,, all of these plauges will be added unto You.

    • Henry Smith

      Deut.12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it….Prov. 30: 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar….Deut. 4: 2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

      All of these say do not add to nor take away form what is written. Taken literally you must then conclude that every revelation since including every word contained in the new testament must be thrown out because nothing can be added to His words.

      But we do not throw it out do we. Therefore when God speaks…whenever that may be we aught to listen correct? Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

      If God will ever speak again to us…His children…how will he do it? Since He is never changing we can be sure it will be the tried and true method.

      He never said there would NEVER be prophets again. He said beware of false prophets. Do not be like the Isrealites of old who cast out and stoned the prophets who lived during their time for unbelief. You would be caught in the same error.

      He told us how to tell which are true and false…Matt. 7:15 ¶Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
      Nuff said

  • Carmen

    This is one of many reasons why I will not step into any church again and the big reason is they are all getting together to make a one world bible and no matter how they lie it will not have anything to do with Christians. ” lies lies lies” . People you better wake up quick, you have no idea what is going to hit the fan . SPEAK OUT !!!!!!!!!!!!

  • signdoc

    Read the Bible, when ask by the Pharisees about Same sex marriage, Jesus said: Have Yet not read?. Marriage is between a Man and a Woman. The Pharisees along with Gays and Lesbians Crucified Him on the Cross.

  • joão cezar

    If he is advocating same- sex marriage, he is not living for God, and should not be preaching God’s Holy Word… Several places in the Bible God condemns homosexuality, Read about Sodom and Gomorrah, then tell me God is ok with same- sex marriage…

  • Greg137

    Mr. Bell is a servant of Satan.. There are churches that have been invaded by Satan’s minions and thjis seems to be just such a church… Asking a christian to not read or quote the Bible is like asking a fish to breathe without water… For Mr. Bell and his ilk the hellfire is prepared for them…

  • Jeff R

    This guy is anti-Christ. that’s not what Jesus commanded.

  • Jackie

    This man is no pastor. He is a fraud. If he doesn’t believe the Bible why does he call himself a Christian. Because he is in it for the money!!!

  • Dalene Kolk

    Isn’t the “Word of God” aka the Bible, the whole basis of Christian learning? This “pastor” is dangerous to true Christianity!

  • deltamary

    This guy just “takes the Cake” I have never heard of him. I will not waste energy commenting on this “lonely” guy

  • Keone Case

    Wrong advice…I’d rather go with the Bible…

  • Donald Durbala

    That is true.He is deceiving those whom don’t know the Word and will listen to anything.

  • Sgt.Will

    I’m curious with this person just as I am with Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as to what religion they are a “pastor” in.I’ve been a Christian for 42 years and theirs certainly isn’t Christianity along with many more so-called celebrities and politicians.The scriptures in my Bible are more relevant than they were 2000 years ago and I know of no one with the authority to change God’s word or laws.I’ve heard it said recently that the government not God gives rights to people.Well since its government by the people for the people,I haven’t given this man the right to call God’s word and the church irrelevant,have you?

  • Philip Warden

    false teacher.so say our Lord Jesus… Amen can I get another.

  • Bob Russell

    he will spend eternity in hell for this, unless the Bible is as irrelevant as he says it is, and God with it!!!!! what a putz!!!!!

  • jeff BROWN

    God’s word is eternal and unchanging!!! 10,00 years ago, or 10,000 years from now, he made no provisions for “progress” or “regress.”

  • Christopher Allen

    Frankly, i haven’t seen the word homosexual in the bible!
    The only thing close, is when the idiots of Sodom attacked the Angels!
    I just don’t think GOD condemns anyone that is living a life of Love!
    And the Bible very clearly states that GOD came as JESUS to absolve us all of sin, and give us salvation, and eternal life as long as we believe in HIM and give ourselves too HIM, and once we are saved, there is nothing that can separate us!

  • Soulspeaker

    I wish God would expose him before he does any more damage than what he has done so far.

  • 23cowboy

    You should expect this if he goes on Okra’s show. You have to have at least a dozen STUPID tattoes to go there. I will still read and believe my Bible and when he appears before Jesus the quote will be,”I will speue all warm water christians from my mouth, ‘ not exact quote but close enough. There are going to be a lot of fools set to hell for their non beliefs.

  • Charles R Donahue

    An obvious pretender to TRUTH. It is apparently the leading of evil which would cause any person to take a stance so anti-GOD, anti- Holy Spirit and, anti- Christ.. I pray even at this moment,before cosmic righteousness for this LOST soul and so many being misled by him. God is yet on the throne of the earth and universe. NOT a change in the slightest.

    • WishIWuzACropDuster

      Thank you for reminding me that he does absolutely need to be prayed for. A heretic needs all the prayers he or she can get on their behalf.

  • dennis jennings

    Quoting the bible, especially Jesus’s comments in the new testament certainly interfere with the main work of the church, Separating the suckers from the contents of their wallets. Re: Billy Sunday, Amie McPherson Simple, Jim and Tammy Brother Bob and all of the rest.

  • Rod Scott

    Maybe the “Pastor” should write his own changed version of the Bible, It could sit in the bookcase next to Obamas changed version of the constitution.

  • Larry

    What is irrelevant is the one running his mouth. Let’s see why he said his irrelevant remark. First of all, making this kind of statement, he is trying to avoid what God’s Word says about his being judged for all of the misleading things he has said, causing Christians to stumble with their lives. Now there will always be someone that says we can not judge someone for what they do. That however is very much like what this preacher wants us to believe. If we are not to judge, why does God’s Word tell us we are to judge someone for the wrong they are doing, i.e. how Christians are to apply church discipline. This brings up a point, discipline in the church unfortunately no longer happens, we have allowed the world to creep in and is destroying the local Church body, not God’s Church. So for all that has been said, this guy thinks if he says it enough times people will believe what he says and he thinks he will be off the hook for all of his lies.

  • verneoz

    The totality of Bell’s blather is a sales pitch to throw away one’s traditional moral values that not changed in centuries. If you do not stand for anything, then any new fad of cultural debauchery becomes the norm.

  • Donald Durbala

    We to tell about both because first we have to admit we are sinners heading to Hell,If we don’t know why we need to accept Jesus Christ then why would a person do so? Accept Jesus Christ, then repent( turn from a life of sin ) , Heaven and eternal life is the joyous gift from God because of our faith and obedience to Him.

  • Eli Miller

    Sounds like a Antichrist.he rejects the truth . he is excepting Sodom wickedness .the really sad part is some humans are acting worth then animals. U don’t see a dog.a cow. A horse. A goat. Male mating another male .or female mating female. Its sick.

  • frawgeyz

    The author stated, ‘We don’t know if Mr. Bell is trying to stir up controversy to sell more book, or if he really believes what he says “.
    The motivation for what he says is irrelevant as he is an apostate either way! Hint #1; he is speaking his heresy and being promoted by the queen of New Age heresy, oprah!

    • Henry Smith

      Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.24 ¶Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

      • Henry Smith

        It’s all about AUTHORITY!! The apostles of old had authority given them by the Lord by the laying on of hands. His authority! I can’t just go around handing out tickets to speeders anymore than any Tom Dick and Harry can baptize people and expect it to be recognized as valid without the proper authority to do His work. Quite the riddle eh? Keep studying people!

      • frawgeyz

        Amen Henry!

  • Patriot159

    2 Timothy 4:2-4

    …2preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

    False teachers are another sign of the time we live in…. and the deaf, dumb and blind sheep being led to the slaughter.

    • Henry Smith

      King James version Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
      I prefer this translation…new age cannot match the accuracy.

  • old_salty_dawg99

    If this man is saying the BIBLE(AV1611 King James BIBLE) should not be listened to then he is no pastor nor is he a man of GOD. The BIBLE is meant to be our GUIDE as to how to live as Christ wants us to as Christians. But given that GOD said there would be a great falling away as the end of tis world gets closer and that is what is happening. Just look at how many so called Religious groups are allowing something GOD calls an ABOMINATION be accepted as normal and Natural and that GOD is OK with it. They are claiming that Gays can become Christians without repenting of their Homosexuality and that is a LIE. Now they are trying to tell GOD who can and cannot marry. GOD created us and Marriage and only GOD can say who can marry. Man is doing exactly NOW what Christ told Paul and those who wrote the BIBLE all those years ago. So the BIBLE is not only the WORD of GOD but it is Accurate as to what has and will happen even after all these years it is still getting everything Right. So for this man to say do not listen to the BIBLE he is NOT a Christian Pastor but he is one of those who have fallen away from GOD.

  • Branwen

    The definition of a church is a building used for public Christian worship. Christians are defined as those believing in the Word of the Bible. A Cult is defined as a system of religion veneration directed toward any figure of their choosing. Mr. Bell is not preaching scripture, not gathering to worship according to the Bible and is denouncing the scriptures within the Bible for the ways of current people right in front of him. Mr. Bell’s assembly and preaching fall under the definition of a cult to which Oprah has attached herself. Back in the 1970’s Jim Jones “Pastored” a “Church” as well, which led to the eventual deaths of 909 members; including women and children. To Preach is defined as delivering a religious message to an assembled group of people. Preachng as a Christian requires teaching of the scriptures which Mr. Bell was denouncing for current day standards in political correctness. Mr. Bell by definition is a Cult leader preaching his own personal beliefs and tenets.

  • Nina

    This guy whoever he is is not a follower of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ!! Definitely mislead by Satan!! What a fool!! Here comes Miss Oprah her “Christian advisor”??? What’s up with that? She’s been off the wall for a long time!! It’s a shame ppl will follow this banana and more will follow bc of her dumb ass!! Lord help them please.

  • Brooke

    And I ask again, can we stop equating sex and love already? We can have love for one another without sex. Or we can have sex without love and feel more lonely than ever. Identifying oneself as homosexual is just saying this label, this lifestyle, is more important to me than all other things. It is NOT about finding love and thereby avoiding loneliness.

  • dummyncc

    I would say that Mr Bell is not relevant as I remember Jesus speaking and reading verses that were written some over a thousand years earlier. And Jesus is still pretty relevant to many of us.

  • Allen

    Jesus said to the woman at the well that there is coming a time that they know not what they worship and there will be no place to worship His unconditional love. The reason is the Spirit of unconditional love will be taken out of the world, that man of sin will be revealed as a son of perdition. For man is born in sin and he himself cannot overcome it.

  • Lise-Anne Tijerino

    As a Christian (Raised Catholic) I agree that we humans need to socialize and that loneliness is unhealthy in many ways. I also strongly believe that the Bible is the word of God given to us by different writers and that the Bible is full of wisdom to guide us through life’s bad times as well as the good ones, it gives financial advice as well. If society paid more attention to the advice contained in the Bible we would all be happier and healthier. Homosexuality is a sin according to God, and violating the sanctity of marriage by allowing same sex marriages is sinful in God’s eyes. It also degrades the sanctity of marriage by giving them the same privileges as straight couples. To be honest that’s the main reason why homosexuals want to get married, not for the companionship. They can have companionship by living together. When living together you are not alone. I feel that marriage has been degraded and violated and robbed of its sanctity by society allowing same sex marriages. In the Bible the first marriage recorded was when God united Adam & Eve together. God specifically said marriage was to be between a man and a woman, that man sleeping with man was an abomination in his eyes, so in the marriage ceremony when the priest says ” What God has united let no man put under” is actually lying, hypocritical, and blaspheming due to the fact that God does NOT unite same sex couples, therefore committing more sins in order to please society and choose convenience over loyalty to God and faith in God knowing what’s best for us. Like a father knows what’s best for his child and tries to warn the child of the consequences of his (her) choices in order to protect the child from harm, which is a father’s duty to do. God is love. Denying the Bible is denying God’s existence and love and is putting human knowledge above God’s, which is the foundation for Cult Worship which is Paganism at the highest level because you no longer worship God, you worship human beings. Human beings make mistakes and are imperfect, so why worship imperfection I ask you? Think about it. Our society has chosen to not follow the Biblical advice & look as what we’ve reaped so far: Cancer from smoking, AIDS from unclean sex partners, anal sex, sharing drug needles, overeating (gluttony) has caused diabetes (too many sweets), obesity, high blood pressure (too much salt), heart attacks & strokes, glaucoma from diabetes, greed leads to theft and murder, adultery leads to feelings of inadequacy, jealousy, distrust, and even murder, Lying, cheating on an exam, dishonesty takes different shapes famine war due to greed and power hungry humans, just to name a few. If we were to follow the Bible’s advice we would lead stress free happier lives without all things mentioned above. Something to ponder about.

  • ron

    The bible says that in the end times there will be a great falling away from the truth. We are in the end times with many false christians around us.

  • L. Lay

    Friends with the world=Enemies of God. The man is a blind guide leading the blind. We need to pray for his salvation, it’s evident that he does not believe in Christ!

  • jim scaggs

    The time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine but heap unto themselves teachers having itching ears.

  • Jonathan

    People will always find ways to justify or excuse what they do in their lives whether it a drug addiction, homosexuality, alcoholism, domestic violence and abuse, or even pedophilia.

  • LibertysSon

    Sex is not love. You can have companionship without sex. You can have
    love without sex. You can have companionship without marriage. Marriage
    is a special covenant ordained by the Creator God for a man and a woman.

  • disqus_C6fGXmCFNc

    I do not know one soul who has ever heard of this jerk so why put such stupid headings on this junk writing.

  • jim scaggs

    This guy is not a Christian, he is not even a pastor. He is a false teacher and a wolf in sheep’s clothing, just like Osteen and the rest.What I fail to understand is, well I do they are deceived and are deceiving but anyway they wake up one day and decide that their theology is holy and right just because they say.

  • Jack Van Gorder

    Heh Heh. This will send the Fundamentalists into a frenzy. Rather than practice the love and forgiveness as Christ has taught, they will rant about the Bible and castigate anyone who they believe has sinned. Lord, save us.